Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

She definitely should not be allowed back to the UK. I as a black woman am terrified of the inevitable right wing backlash if she came back and more people turning to white nationalism as a result.

Xenophobic, right wing backlash doesn’t start and end with Shamima. I’d be far more concerned about setting a precedent which arguably would have greater impact on YOU as an ethnic minority.

What difference does it make what colour she is, we've enough crazies here in the UK without bringing this one back. This isn't a homegrown terrorist this is a young woman who buggered off in hopes to marrying evil, have babies with evil. She was quite happy to see her own slaughtered. And as she left here happily to build a new life of maiming and murdering why should she come back? Because she became a mother apparently? This is bit I'm confused with how did she get pregnant if she's locked up under guard by women to get pregnant? How did her babies die of starvation and she hasn't? She doesnt look starved judging by the new picture of her, so she either wasn't feeding the babies or she was lying the babies were hers

[quote FrostyChocolateMilkshake]@Thewithesarehere if it was up to me Thompson and Venables would have had a bullet between the eyes for what they did to that child. But that's another topic altogether.

I was agreeing with this because people seem to be banding Begum with Bulger's killers - "they are children", "we are responsible for them because of their age", "they made a stupid decision".

Underage binge drinking and trying drugs could be deemed a stupid decision.

Torturing and murdering a toddler or leaving your country to join a terrorist organisation are not stupid decisions - in both case these "children" knew full well what they were doing.[/quote]
I am not in favour of death sentences unfortunately though I will understand if parents of these children demand this.
Shamima’s case is equivalent of dropping your bin on neighbour’s drive so it does not stay your problem anymore.
That is unethical, immoral and sets a dangerous precedent.

I'm amazed that the courts have decided this, and good for them. The legal system usually seems to work in favour of people like this who clearly do NOT deserve to get back into the UK. I'm sure some 'celebrity' bleeding heart will champion her cause at some point - using the words 'innocent teen girl/was groomed ...' blah blah. Good riddance. Let her face justice where she was captured.

@Dugee
There is a lot of xenophobia and racism in your post.
She is a British citizen. She spent 99.99999% of her life in the U.K.
and western societies have happily founded and nurtured terrorism for decades in Mid East and South Asia. You have to be really daft (and racist?) to not know and accept this in this day and age.

She is of Bangladeshi heritage though

So? My understanding is that she’s never stepped foot in that country. How can you argue that she’s their problem?

@Jaypreen

If she'd been white the narrative would have been all about how she had been groomed and now needs psychological support.

What are you basing this rather eccentric opinion on? Can you give us an example?

Perhaps they are basing their eccentric opinion on jihadi jack. Because he is white and hasn't been stripped of citizenship. Oh wait, yes he has.

@Jaypreen I agree with what you’ve said.

Even at 15, she knew what she wa a getting herself into. She knew she was joining a terrorist group.

Why should she be given the luxury of coming back? Why should she have our taxes spent on either keeping her in a very comfortable prison (for not long enough anyway) or to have protection programmes in place? She made her decision.

I bet she doesn’t feel so big and clever now.
I strongly believe once you’ve been confined yourself into a terrorist you will always be a terrorist.

[quote Thewithesarehere]@Dugee
There is a lot of xenophobia and racism in your post.
She is a British citizen. She spent 99.99999% of her life in the U.K.
and western societies have happily founded and nurtured terrorism for decades in Mid East and South Asia. You have to be really daft (and racist?) to not know and accept this in this day and age.[/quote]
She’s actually spent 25% of her life outside this country by choice, having destroyed the British passport she stole. It would be helpful if we stuck to the facts instead of making up fairy tales.

Forgot to add - I would say the same if it had been a 15 year old white British girl - if she too had voluntarily gone off to marry a terrorist, destroyed her passport and appeared to rejoice in beheadings etc, then you made your bed, etc. Nothing to do with colour/religion.

Good. She made her bed, now she can lie in it.

@SimonJT @Dannydevitoiloveyourart

You will be fine, as long as you aren't planning on joining a terrorist organisation that has the aim of destroying western civilisation.

By the way, have you heard of jihadi Jack.

... everyone seems to be responsible bar the perpetrators

Exactly - and that's exactly why it's so obvious why she wants to secure a return to the UK. I haven't the least doubt that, once here, the cries would start up:

"She's traumatised and jail's the wrong place for her"
"She can't learn to function in the wider world from a cell"
"Keeping her locked up will just help to recruit more terrorists"
"Jail's actually more dangerous for us, since she'll encourage others already in there"
"She was a child and needs help not punishment"

All of which she's doubtless thought of ...

I don’t think our home grown terrorism is anyone’s responsibility but ours. For far too long, we have instated and funded terrorism abroad.
It’s time to own it.

Her parents don’t seem very vocal in all this, have we heard much from her family?

Poor bairn, and poor wee babies that she lost.

What evidence do you have that she had three babies that died?

It’s ironic how people conveniently ignore the role of British foreign policy on motivating terrorism.

@MrsMercedes

Her parents don’t seem very vocal in all this, have we heard much from her family?

To be honest, I didn’t think of her parents in any of this. They aren’t my problem, as heartless as it may sound. My problem is we can’t dump our criminals on other countries and we can’t give her free publicity. In fact, this whole saga smacks of divide the British public and rule.

@SirChing you seem to be struggling with the point of my post. It's not about spending time thinking about the case- it's about bothering to extend any kind of pity to her when there are far more deserving causes to get all worked up about/ feel a sense of injustice about.

@Thewithesarehere we will just have to agree to disagree at this point.

@SpaceRaiders

It’s ironic how people conveniently ignore the role of British foreign policy on motivating terrorism.

Forget about understanding the role of foreign policy which is such a difficult topic to understand sometimes. Even for the most obvious examples like Taliban and Saddam, our public has no understanding of how these evils came into being and why there is so much anger against the western policies in the regions they were implanted in.

@MrsMercedes

Her parents don’t seem very vocal in all this, have we heard much from her family?

Isn't her dad an extremist too? Wasn't he caught on camera at a "death to the U.K." rally in London?

She chose a medieval ideology. Obviously detests our culture. Good riddance. Serious threat to our way of life.
Love the way she's dressing western now to appear that she's changed though 🙄🙄🙄

[quote FrostyChocolateMilkshake]@Thewithesarehere we will just have to agree to disagree at this point.[/quote]
Why? Because you have the luxury of living in a society where no one is dumping their terrorists. Yet.