Shamima Begum cannot return.....

[Lillylolo]

What are your opinions?

I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh.

However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk.

This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

She's our problem. Just nonsense to claim she is Bangladeshi. She is British. Like her or not she has nowhere else to go. Someone above suggested she go to the Netherlands because her husband is there I didn't see the Dutch trying to get out of taking him back. For all its horrors, even Trump's America took back its own criminals!
If she is Bangladeshi because of her parents, does that mean the UK can render anyone stateless if they are second generation immigrants who commit crimes? Are second generation immigrants thus second class citizens? I find that implication shocking.

@Nebulacoffee

I’ve felt from the very start that she’s being made an example of. It’s good for young would-be terrorist sympathisers to see her begging to return and denounce her actions.

I personally think she should be allowed to return. I think she was a groomed and exploited child.
But I understand why the government has decided to be hard on her and if I were the person in charge of national security who has to make tough judgements every day, well I might make the same call.

Except that it is giving her free publicity and makes us a bully in the eyes of the rest of the world. It’s unethical, immoral and sets a dangerous precedent.

@Dannydevitoiloveyourart just to clarify, I never said she wasn't British. I know she was born and bred here (Londoner I believe isn't she). I'd feel the exact same if she was white or any other ethnicity. Anyone who turns their back on their own country to join a terrorist organisation is a waste of oxygen in my book!

I do not believe she should have been stripped of her British citizenship - she left at 25 when she was a minor - she is our problem.

@ChristOnAPeloton

Do some of you not understand the difference between Syria and ISIS? Serious question. She didn’t “fuck off to Syria”; she went over there to join the Islamic State- who were committing terrorist acts against the innocent Syrian civilians and the not-so-great-themselves Syrian government.

It’s a bit like conflating the IRA with the British government. Just makes you sound uninformed.

Thanks for quoting me. I really should watch my language.

Bring her back and lock away the keys at a minimum 50k a year plus all the extra cost generated by endless appeals and requests for clemency on account of her youth.

Isn't there better things we could spend the money on?

You are absolutely right. We and the US funded the Taliban to fight against the Russians, and Saddam to keep Iran in check. People don't like to think about where these organisations got their cash and weapons from though, and forget that we LOVED Bin Laden when he was starting out. The CIA and MI6 are the reason they existed in the first place!

And people are still wasting their time and energy on mundane issues like keeping a nobody out, rather than asking tough questions like who created terrorism and why; who is providing weapons and why is Biden in such a hurry to bomb Syria again and which side he is bombing.

I laugh on this because the alternative is not good at all.

You do come across as very confused @Thewithesarehere

It is difficult trying to understand whether you have a serious point or not. You kind of destroyed it when you said ....collect and disinfect our garbage. It is difficult to take you seriously with those kind of comments.

As to your apparent support of the Syrian regime and judiciary, is there anything you can say that might indicate the regime has changed significantly from 2017. I think Amnesty might not agree with your sentiments.

edition.cnn.com/2017/02/07/middleeast/syria-executions-amnesty-international-report/index.html

I do agree that British citizens are our problem. It is a disaster on so many levels what has happened to Syria. But you do come across as all over the place.

@womaninatightspot

Bring her back and lock away the keys at a minimum 50k a year plus all the extra cost generated by endless appeals and requests for clemency on account of her youth.

Isn't there better things we could spend the money on?

Seriously? If she ends up killing just one more human being elsewhere (forget about the ones she is probably responsible for killing already), is that not a good price to pay? Also, everyone should pay the price of their actions. Why should others pay the price of what was made in the U.K.?

@Mydogruns

I do not believe she should have been stripped of her British citizenship - she left at 25 when she was a minor - she is our problem.

Maybe have a wee rethink regard your post

@NoMackerelInSwindon

You do come across as very confused *@Thewithesarehere*

It is difficult trying to understand whether you have a serious point or not. You kind of destroyed it when you said ....collect and disinfect our garbage. It is difficult to take you seriously with those kind of comments.

As to your apparent support of the Syrian regime and judiciary, is there anything you can say that might indicate the regime has changed significantly from 2017. I think Amnesty might not agree with your sentiments.

edition.cnn.com/2017/02/07/middleeast/syria-executions-amnesty-international-report/index.html

I do agree that British citizens are our problem. It is a disaster on so many levels what has happened to Syria. But you do come across as all over the place.

If you can’t even separate Syrian regime from Isis, there is no point discussing this.

I am not all over the place. I have shared with you thoughts that are hard to digest and even harder to research in a few minutes. So I respectfully suggest that you do a thorough research on the two points (Saddam and Taliban) I shared with you upthread.
Once you have done that, we can then discuss Syria and other issues.
Without understanding history, you cannot understand present and future at all.

And by ‘collecting and disinfecting our garbage’ meant rounding up our home grown terrorists and putting them behind bars forever (and throw the keys away).

"Isn't there better things we could spend the money on?"

Sure, ideally. The question is rather, who is to spend money on Shamima Begum? Do you not think that Syria and Iraq, which have to rebuild the state, have better things to spend money on than a woman who came over to support and participate in ISIS state building against them? Do you not think that Bangladesh has better things to spend money on than a woman who has never been their citizen and has never lived there?

I do not need to research Saddam Hussein or the Taliban. Nor do I need to discuss Syria with you. You seem wrong about what is going on there in any event.

And terrorists are grown on the internet. This 'home grown' label is foolish.

Those advocating she be allowed back, I wonder whether they would hold the same view if she was brought back, out on appeal whilst the very slow wheels of the appeals system started up, walked into a stadium and blew the place up killing your son/your daughter/ your sister? She hasn’t changed, as evidenced by her initial interviews, before she had her British citizenship removed. Let her rot where she is.

Why should others pay the price of what was made in the U.K.?

She could have been radicalised by Isis anywhere in the world, she just happened to be in the UK. How can you possibly lay the blame on the UK?

Doubtless she will end up back here eventually, hopefully we’ll make life bloody uncomfortable for her on her return.

@NoMackerelInSwindon

I do not need to research Saddam Hussein or the Taliban. Nor do I need to discuss Syria with you. You seem wrong about what is going on there in any event.

Then you can try and stay happy in your own bubble. Terrorists aren’t going anywhere if we keep this attitude.

@VinylDetective

Why should others pay the price of what was made in the U.K.?

She could have been radicalised by Isis anywhere in the world, she just happened to be in the UK. How can you possibly lay the blame on the UK?

Doubtless she will end up back here eventually, hopefully we’ll make life bloody uncomfortable for her on her return.

At that rate, we might as well be a magnet for all the criminals in the world cos they could have become criminals anywhere in the world surely? Why should U.K. pay the price for the criminals that grew up in other countries. Their problem is their problem and our problem is ours.

“ Thanks for quoting me. I really should watch my language.”

It’s not your language that’s the problem @FrostyChocolateMilkshake.

It’s your apparent lack of understanding. She didn’t join Syria to commit atrocities against the West. She joined the Islamic State to commit atrocities against the Syrians.

Even if she’d done nothing wrong and there was no ISIS, she was still an illegal immigrant in Syria- and as such they should have as much right as any other country to return her to her home country as she was not claiming asylum.

Are you serious happy to do away with immigration laws based on this one case? Or do you just think the U.K. should have special privileges to pick and choose which bits suit us?

@Livelovebehappy

Those advocating she be allowed back, I wonder whether they would hold the same view if she was brought back, out on appeal whilst the very slow wheels of the appeals system started up, walked into a stadium and blew the place up killing your son/your daughter/ your sister? She hasn’t changed, as evidenced by her initial interviews, before she had her British citizenship removed. Let her rot where she is.

Yep, I would still think it right that she was brought back. But would be raging at her having been granted bail pending trial, against all the rules which state someone who actively poses a danger should never be given bail!

Begum will be ice skating in hell before she ever got bail here. And deserves to be locked up and the key thrown away.

Those are STILL not good enough reasons for us to make her another country's problem, simply because we find her abhorrent.

The UK have given 800 million so far in aid to the humanitarian crisis in Syria and surrounding areas. I'd love to hear from the Syrians about whether keeping her locked up in a camp is causing them hardship. Suspect it's much cheaper to keep her where she is and we can spend our money more wisely.

Ideals are lovely but in the absence of an ideal society some of them have to be sacrificed on the alter of practicality.

Basically, U.K. government has created a free marketing campaign for ISIS at tax payer’s expense

I don't think you understand what constitutes a 'free marketing campaign', @Thewithesarehere. Among other things.

Someone above suggested she go to the Netherlands because her husband is thereI didn't see the Dutch trying to get out of taking him back.

There are earlier posts saying the Dutch had refused to accept him, @abricotine. If they have, surely we can do likewise? If not then she can go with her husband.

@womaninatightspot

The UK have given 800 million so far in aid to the humanitarian crisis in Syria and surrounding areas. I'd love to hear from the Syrians about whether keeping her locked up in a camp is causing them hardship. Suspect it's much cheaper to keep her where she is and we can spend our money more wisely.

Ideals are lovely but in the absence of an ideal society some of them have to be sacrificed on the alter of practicality.

@NoMackerelInSwindon

And terrorists are grown on the internet. This 'home grown' label is foolish.

So presumably there were no terrorists prior to the internet then? How odd! I am fairly sure I remember little groups called the IRA and the Taliban.....