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Lillylolo · 2021-02-26T20:40:13+00:00

What are your opinions? I feel that her dual heritage has been used against her, to push her towards Bangladesh. However, I do feel she is a threat to the general public and it would be incredibly difficult to control/monitor her actions. Which may put the rest of the population at risk. This is just an open debate. Let’s try not to rip each other apart, more of a healthy debate

SirChing · 26/02/2021 23:58

Also @FrostyChocolateMilkshakele in the country whose heads she had in her bin. Why should she be their problem?

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 00:01

we need whole-life sentences may be but we can not be allowed to offload our dump to other countries so their people die and not ours.

SirChing · 27/02/2021 00:02

Ugh, that posted incorrectly. I said that she was definitely a danger to those in the country she was in, whose heads were in her bin.

@teachermummy1 cost is irrelevant. She is likely to be in prison whichever country she is in. Cost doesn't mean she isn't our responsibility.

Or do you think we should have kept Abu Hamza here so that he didn't cost Jordan to imprison? We couldn't wait to extradite him because he was another country's issue. It's totally hypocritical to extradite Hamza and refuse to take back Begum.

Emmelina · 27/02/2021 00:03

While she’s our responsibility, and possibly brainwashed, I do struggle to have sympathy with her after the comments she made about the Manchester arena bombing and the Yazidi women.
The Dutch won’t take her or her husband. Bangladesh will execute her as they’ve a zero tolerance policy on terrorism, she was known to be in the “morality police” enforcing laws, recruiting members and stitching people into suicide vests.

TingTastic · 27/02/2021 00:04

She’s a British citizen who was groomed at 15

What about all the poor girls who were groomed into prostitution at 15? Would we legally punish them?

I think history is going to judge us for this decision

littlepattilou · 27/02/2021 00:05

@teachermummy1

She's scum. She renounced her country the minute she set foot in Syria. She showed no remorse, acted ungrateful and is a threat to national security.

I don't want my taxes to pay for her to languish in jail for the rest of her sad life. I feel sorry for her parents.

This. ^

She is no longer British, and she can fuck off. Syria can keep her, but I don't actually give a rat's bollock where she goes, as long as she isn't in the UK.

I am sick of the liberal-leftie apologists defending her. She is terrorist pond scum, and must never come back to the UK. And is she FUCK our 'responsibility!' As 'teachersmummy' said, she renounced the UK when she fucked off to Syria to become a terrorist...

She cares about no-one but herself. Do the people defending her think she gives a shit about you? Or your children, and family, and friends? Does she fuck! She wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

FrostyChocolateMilkshake · 27/02/2021 00:05

@SirChing not sure why I put the random "problem" in there!
I understand what you mean and I have no idea what the answer is. I guess, yes, as a British citizen she is our problem. However she made the decision to fuck us all off (mind my French) and start a new radicalised life in Syria. So...I'd guess the issue lies with Syria, as she has taken residence there now? I'm not sure.

littlepattilou · 27/02/2021 00:06

@TingTastic

'I think history is going to judge us for this decision'

I literally could NOT give a fuck.

SirChing · 27/02/2021 00:06

@TingTastic

She’s a British citizen who was groomed at 15

What about all the poor girls who were groomed into prostitution at 15? Would we legally punish them?

I think history is going to judge us for this decision

If those prostitutes ever go on to actively support a murderous regime, then yes!

VinylDetective · 27/02/2021 00:07

@TingTastic

She’s a British citizen who was groomed at 15

What about all the poor girls who were groomed into prostitution at 15? Would we legally punish them?

I think history is going to judge us for this decision

Why would we punish girls who were victims? Why wouldn’t we punish terrorists? The two aren’t remotely comparable. In any event, she wasn’t groomed, she was radicalised.

FrostyChocolateMilkshake · 27/02/2021 00:07

@TingTastic groomed at 15 to be radicalised against our country...

Not sure how you can have sympathy for her. She's made her decision. She can deal with it.

Hope she rots in hell with all the other terrorists.

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 00:08

Syria can keep her, but I don't actually give a rat's bollock where she goes, as long as she isn't in the UK.
Yes because Syria was where she grew up to become a terrorist. Oh hang on!

SirChing · 27/02/2021 00:09

[quote littlepattilou]@teachermummy1

She's scum. She renounced her country the minute she set foot in Syria. She showed no remorse, acted ungrateful and is a threat to national security.

I don't want my taxes to pay for her to languish in jail for the rest of her sad life. I feel sorry for her parents.

This. ^

She is no longer British, and she can fuck off. Syria can keep her, but I don't actually give a rat's bollock where she goes, as long as she isn't in the UK.

I am sick of the liberal-leftie apologists defending her. She is terrorist pond scum, and must never come back to the UK. And is she FUCK our 'responsibility!' As 'teachersmummy' said, she renounced the UK when she fucked off to Syria to become a terrorist...

She cares about no-one but herself. Do the people defending her think she gives a shit about you? Or your children, and family, and friends? Does she fuck! She wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.[/quote]
Who the heck is defending her? Seeing this murderous woman as a UK born problem, and our issue to imprison and keep the world safe from, doesn't mean anyone has sympathy for her.

Lickofpink · 27/02/2021 00:10

She is British.

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 00:10

[quote littlepattilou]@TingTastic

'I think history is going to judge us for this decision'

I literally could NOT give a fuck.[/quote]
Yeah you may not give a fuck but unfortunately for you, this is a sure fire formula of creating more terrorists and it sets the precedent that a lot of other countries can dump their criminals on us too.
How would you like that?

littlepattilou · 27/02/2021 00:12

@Lickofpink

She is British.

Not any more.

HeelsHandbagPerfumeCoffee · 27/02/2021 00:12

It’s perfectly permissible to abhor her actions but think there needs to be due judicial process
She’s a uk citizen our responsibility,and we need to bring her home to face a criminal trial
We also need to furnish her with legal counsel and ability to participate in a trial

littlepattilou · 27/02/2021 00:13

@Thewithesarehere

Yeah you may not give a fuck but unfortunately for you, this is a sure fire formula of creating more terrorists and it sets the precedent that a lot of other countries can dump their criminals on us too. How would you like that?

Would never happen.

FrostyChocolateMilkshake · 27/02/2021 00:13

@Lickofpink

She is British.

Nah, not now.

She flouted off to Syria to practise hate crimes and terrorism against the West.

She can stay there.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 27/02/2021 00:14

@Emmelina

While she’s our responsibility, and possibly brainwashed, I do struggle to have sympathy with her after the comments she made about the Manchester arena bombing and the Yazidi women. The Dutch won’t take her or her husband. Bangladesh will execute her as they’ve a zero tolerance policy on terrorism, she was known to be in the “morality police” enforcing laws, recruiting members and stitching people into suicide vests.

Bangladesh won’t have her because she’s not a citizen.

Her husband is in jail in Syria so not a problem for the Netherlands for a while.

And the Netherlands won’t have her because they don’t recognise underage marriage - so she has no rights to Dutch residency on account of marriage.

Please do let that sink in - she was a child bride and you’re saying she was possibly brainwashed. No, she was absolutely brainwashed and groomed. As I posted upthread- it’s possible to be both a victim and a perpetrator of the acts you were groomed to carry out.

littlepattilou · 27/02/2021 00:14

@FrostyChocolateMilkshake

Agree. Syria can keep her.

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 00:16

[quote littlepattilou]@Thewithesarehere

Yeah you may not give a fuck but unfortunately for you, this is a sure fire formula of creating more terrorists and it sets the precedent that a lot of other countries can dump their criminals on us too. How would you like that?

Would never happen.[/quote]
What would never happen?
Everything can happen in this works and everything is possible. 9/11 happened and so did 7/7. Ask the families of the people died in those attacks. Or ask the families if the children who died in the Manchester bombing. It surely has happened and it will keep going back in circles if we only take action that gives terrorists what they really want: publicity and havoc.

Thewithesarehere · 27/02/2021 00:17

[quote littlepattilou]@FrostyChocolateMilkshake

Agree. Syria can keep her.[/quote]
But Syria didn’t ask for her. If some terrorists in London invite others from some other country, does that mean U.K. asked for it?

NoMackerelInSwindon · 27/02/2021 00:17

[quote Thewithesarehere]@Blackberrycream
Yes, we are taking about some of the most horrific crimes and, in this digital age, we need to evolve our legal system and sentences to reflect this.
However, others should not pay the price of our shortcomings. It’s not just illegal, it’s immoral and sets a dangerous precedent. I am sure you will never accept that other countries should be allowed to dump their terrorists here if these terrorists board a flight to Heathrow (like Shamima did to Syria) with the sole aim of wrecking havoc here.
Do you agree?[/quote]
What bollocks you spout @Thewithesarehere

Civilised countries do not run terrorist organisations. Terrorists find a way of getting where they want to illegally.

Hot of the press.

www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/R-v-Khairi-Saadallah-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

You come across as a bit of a fool.

FrostyChocolateMilkshake · 27/02/2021 00:18

@littlepattilou I can't understand why and how anyone could defend her and feel sympathy? She knew the consequences of fleeing to Syria to join ISIS! Did she think we British citizens would welcome her back with balloons and banners and open arms?