AIBU to think that Prince Harry is coming across as the most tone deaf and hypocritical member of the RF right now?

[ChocolateSantaisthebestkind]

Yes the guy lost his mother in a tragic way at a young age. (So have many) Yes he was forced out into the public eye in the middle of grief (which was horrific at the time and worse on reflection) BUT he is now an adult man with a family and access to life of extreme privilege yet he cannot seem to realise that him publically complaining about his lot in life and telling the rest of us how to behave is distasteful. Also, the petulant way he seems to communicate with the media is just undelining his immaturity and lack of awareness. By which I mean, the potshots in statements and rapping with James Corden and his pathetic man of the people schtick. If you want to be Hazzer give up your title and STFU!

AIBU?

@DeeCeeCherry

Attack Meghan all you like, you're not going to convince me that Meghan committed some terrible crime by waiting a couple of days to do a post-birth photocall

Exactly.

Note they didn't froth so much when Archie was depicted as a monkey. The nature of UK racism is so sly. It's all 100 words why they don't like Meghan, anything but the real reasons.

MN has a reputation tho for women in a complete state about MM because they can't stand a woman of colour married into the royal family, and that she has a voice. Also that in the midst of it all she just got up and left, taking their Prince with her. Nice move. Shows what she thinks of their racist bullshit; it's not worth her time.

The gutter press are probably on the threads busting a gut along with them, whilst H&M are happy far away.

I wouldn't have known about the James Corden show if not for this thread. Enjoyed it. Harry looked happy and relaxed, and James Corden was funny🙂

This!

No I disagree because the Queen and William & Kate have decided for all their we dont interfere in politics policy, to wade into the vaccine debate
Well... they have to do something or we might start wondering what they actually are for and do we need them!?
I think they are the ones who have to work at making themselves more relevant... but M&H actually are anyway with their big new project on Community Relief kitchens round the world, and the money donated to the womens' shelter in Texas after the storms, and the Centre closing for the first time in 40 years.

Here...in case I get called for links which happens with frequent regularity (but doubtful they are then clicked on as they are positive news, and a PP linked it too - no comment made)
twitter.com/WCKitchen/status/1364612523652218880
Womens Shelter

No I disagree because the Queen and William & Kate have decided for all their we dont interfere in politics policy, to wade into the vaccine debate

Is the vaccine debate political?

I have zero problems with The Queen & W&C promoting the vaccine. It’s not political I don’t think?

I know of some people in my community who won’t have it & are actively encouraging others in the community not to have it. Luckily the leaders have all advocated it & been pictured having it otherwise the take up would have been less.

Anything that encourages take up & back to (some sort of) normality is good in my book.

'people are perfectly happy for the fact that Andrew is a pedophile to be swept under the rug. All because Meghans black, because let’s not kid ourselves on here, that is the biggest issue.'

Prince Andrew should of course be investigated and charged if there is evidence of a crime. Innocent until proven guilty remember. That is not of course to say I support him, if he appears on a chat show giggling with corden or Oprah I will criticise him too.

Racism is the most laziest and predictable response with no evidence other than a few sm trolls. Conveniently missing the whole point that it is Harry ducking his actual royal service while exploiting the benefits that his royalty brings in the US that is nauseating. Why did they gush about how welcoming everyone had been in their engagement chat if it wasn't infact true? They didn't get to call the shots so they flounced.

'Don’t get the angst..'

Not angst, just some of us can straight through his self pitying guff.

@HmmmmmmInteresting

The only reason the Damian Lewis thing is silly is because Damian is 15 years older than Harry! He needs a young handsome ginger actor to play him.

Exactly! You don’t want to be played by someone way older than yourself.

Conveniently missing the whole point that it is Harry ducking his actual royal service while exploiting the benefits that his royalty brings in the US that is nauseating

He is ducking nothing because he has stepped back from royal duties. That is why he has been stripped of all his patronages, his military honours, everything unlike Andrew (Now come on... GetOff, you knew I'd mention A somewhere 😂) He'd only be 'ducking' them if he hadn't left but he has.

I am curious also as to what royal benefits he is now exploiting? The fact he was born into the RF? He can't help that.

@Fontella

I can't believe there are grown up women on this thread who genuinely think that those of us who aren't keen on Meghan are racists who don't like the colour of her skin.

I could not give a shiny shit if she was sky blue pink with purple spots. She could be any nationality under the sun and it wouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to how I feel about her, and I'd bet my life savings on the fact that plenty of others feel as I do.

She was a young woman who met a prince, enjoyed the royal wedding and all that went with it. She knew what she was getting into, as both she and Harry told us.

Apparently not. She lasted less than two years, whisked her prince off to Lalaland and is now raking it in to the tune of tens of millions (income she could only have dreamed of prior to meeting/marrying him), living a life of rarified luxury, interracting with the LA 'elite' who again would not have given her the time of day, prior to meeting Harry, with an income beyond our comprehension.

And why? Because he's the son of a future king and she's a soap star. There is no other explanation why an average couple with minimal talent can command a Netflix contract worth 40 million.

Nether one of them have any great talents, or personalities or credibility individually. Despite rejecting their royal connections, they are contrarily milking those same royal connections for everything they're worth on the other side of the pond and it appears to be working.

Not only that, but they are reeling in plenty of hand wringers who apparently feel sympathetic towards them.

I suggest you direct your sympathies towards those who are experiencing real financial hardship, life limiting illness and so on. The people of Kenya whose lives are made a misery by the sandflies than have to be cut out of their feet. Those who live under severe political and economic oppression, and those who don't have enough food to sustain themselves.

Harry and Meghan's definition of a hard day is when the wicked old media don't write something sycophantic about them.

I resent the allegations of it is all about colour. My kids are very similar shade to MM and as far as I'm concerned they are perfect, so are my GC. I'm ginger like H so no prejudice there either.

They just get on my nerves with their moaning. I think moaning is pretty colourless.

Not only that, but they are reeling in plenty of hand wringers who apparently feel sympathetic towards them.
I suggest you direct your sympathies towards those who are experiencing real financial hardship, life limiting illness and so on. The people of Kenya whose lives are made a misery by the sandflies than have to be cut out of their feet. Those who live under severe political and economic oppression, and those who don't have enough food to sustain themselves

How in god's name do you know what posters on here, who aren't running down H&M, (hand wringers as you call them) do as far as supporting worthwhile causes either by volunteering or giving?

Totally insulting and I don't need your 'suggestions'

@BonnieDundee

No I disagree because the Queen and William & Kate have decided for all their we dont interfere in politics policy, to wade into the vaccine debate. I've had my vaccine and do believe in it but it's not their.place. however according to.the MSM they are great for doing so. But when Harry gets involved in something hes wrong. Can you tell i never buy any papers any more?

When the queen dies they should disband it IMO

There is nothing political about the vaccine. There is medical science on one side and a bunch of kooks on another. Promoting such public health measure is exactly the kind of thing I expect the queen to be doing to earn her money.

Everything we think we know about the royal family is cast through the prism of the media. That media has an agenda. I find it highly amusing that there are people on here who claim to 'dislike' people who they have never met and have only heard about through an unreliable set of sources. Get a grip.

I agree about the vaccine thing. The Royal Family promoting it is brilliant. The stuff the Queen said about doing it not just for yourself but for other people was great.

'Apparently not. She lasted less than two years, whisked her prince off to Lalaland and is now raking it in to the tune of tens of millions (income she could only have dreamed of prior to meeting/marrying him), living a life of rarified luxury, interracting with the LA 'elite' who again would not have given her the time of day, prior to meeting Harry, with an income beyond our comprehension. And why? Because he's the son of a future king and she's a soap star. There is no other explanation why an average couple with minimal talent can command a Netflix contract worth 40 million'

This. Which is all lovely and I don't begrudge them their fortune. It is the hard luck story that grates, the 'poor us we were treated so badly!' wangathons. Just go! count your $$$ and stfu.

@Fontella

Zero interest in the Royal Family but posting on a thread about the future king's son?

Zero interest in the royal family. Mild interest in madness of MN posters.

Both interested and bored by the 'Misogyny' (strange choice of word there?) about an American born actress 'whisking' her British born and bred, lived all 35 years of his life husband off to 'lalaland'

You think misogyny the wrong choice of word for criticising and belittling a woman you've never met, inventing a whole raft of actions motivations you have literally no idea of, and holding a woman entirely responsible for taking an adult male out of the country? Ok.

See above point about the madness of MN.

Vaccination is a public health issue and I’m glad the RF are promoting it. In fact if H&M believe in service why don’t they do the same?

Interesting debate. I think the reason people are fed up with them is because we feel we have funded them - he’s our Prince, remember?

The statement from them at the time of Megxit was very much along the lines of “no, it’s the RF’s own money”. In which case, we are not funding them but we are the little people, the serfs expected to tug a forelock. That doesn’t sit well in 21st Century Britain.

The reason Britain still has a constitutional monarchy while many others have disposed of them is because our RF have gone out of their way to appear reasonably modest and do public service - opening things, supporting things etc HERE in Britain and in the Commonwealth but not really in the US. Only if it’s on a diplomatic-type visit. They also give us a tiny glimpse of their own lives so we feel they are a little like us, almost like distant relatives but posher.

So the problem with H&M “stepping back” and living in another country is they can’t do the service, not in the British sense, and they have all the trimmings and trappings. Of course Meg in particular seems adamant it’s all their own money and that does make us all the serfs, and that’s when people don’t see the point of Royalty.

If they are just celebs, which seems to be their ambition, then people must ask what is their talent. Meghan had her acting but gave it up. Harry had Invictus but has walked away.

You’d think that Eton would have educated Harry in some basic British constitution.

He can't help that he is born into the RF but he shouldn't be exploiting that for ££££ - why couldn't he go get a senior role in a big charity or something like that? What did David Miliband do after the Labour Party - I think it was a big charity?

And there is a major difference between financially independent and being Uber wealthy. With the money Harry already had, he was already independent but their privileged upbringing and need to maintain his lifestyle meant that wasn't enough for him. You see on Mn all the time posters talking about taking a less pressured, lower paid job and how they will have to change their lifestyle accordingly- not in this case though!

Imagine if all the senior royals starting following in his footsteps or thinking well 'uncle Harry made a fortune because he was born into the family - I can do that too!" And in 20 years Charlotte, George and Louis all living it up in LA!

And in 20 years Charlotte, George and Louis all living it up in LA!

Actually that would be brilliant, surely all the 'why do we need a RF anyway?' people would be well on board with that. The whole lot of them have disappeared to California!

'He can't help that he is born into the RF but he shouldn't be exploiting that for ££££ - why couldn't he go get a senior role in a big charity or something like that? What did David Miliband do after the Labour Party - I think it was a big charity?'

Exactly this. For all his privilege he seems so lacking in class and dignity. He's like a non stop misery memoir. 'We want to move on but let's keep talking about and rehashing the past! Except Thomas Markle.. we don't talk about him because that's none of your business. Think of our (no one else's obvs) mh please'.

David M got a job as CEO of an international refugee charity. I am sure an interview with Oprah is on his to do list though.

@justab0utsurviving

He can't help that he is born into the RF but he shouldn't be exploiting that for ££££ - why couldn't he go get a senior role in a big charity or something like that? What did David Miliband do after the Labour Party - I think it was a big charity?

And there is a major difference between financially independent and being Uber wealthy. With the money Harry already had, he was already independent but their privileged upbringing and need to maintain his lifestyle meant that wasn't enough for him. You see on Mn all the time posters talking about taking a less pressured, lower paid job and how they will have to change their lifestyle accordingly- not in this case though!

Exactly right.

Their estimated joint wealth on marriage was around £34m. More than enough for a lifetime of independent and still very comfortable living while focusing on charitable efforts.

More than enough for a lifetime of independent and still very comfortable living while focusing on charitable efforts.

So why aren’t they allowed to do other projects again?

Their estimated joint wealth on marriage was around £34m. More than enough for a lifetime of independent and still very comfortable living while focusing on charitable efforts.

If they wanted to step away from Royal Family control - and keep in mind, for Harry one day this would mean King William, the brother who doesn't like him - they were always going to need more than £34mil to comfortably pay for their (and the kids') 24/7 private security for the rest of all their lives.

Remember what happened to the young Getty heir? And the attempted kidnapping of Princess Anne, for that matter?

Harry is still a prince of the United Kingdom. He hasn’t given up his place in the line of succession. So he is still Royal. He said it himself “us Royals don’t carry money.” His commercial ventures are exploiting that status as ultimately a public servant. There are strict rules for politicians and civil servants so they are not allowed to exploit public office, although some try.

Nothing at all to stop Harry running a very successful and powerful charity, or endorsing one. His mother was very good at that. But his media appearances seem all about his profile not a cause.

He has had some terrible things happen - his mother dying when he was so young - but he also has immense privilege and seems to lack perspective on that. Many, many adults have lost parents and have to continue with our lives. Diana was taken advantage of by being fooled into that marriage but then lots of bad things happen to the rest of us hoi polloi and we have to get past it.

H&M could have lived a quiet and comfortable life at Frogmore Cottage. Lots of privacy and security there and they must have made it very comfortable. But obviously it wasn’t a Kardashian lifestyle. It didn’t have the sunshine but most importantly it didn’t have the celebrity!

His commercial ventures are exploiting that status as ultimately a public servant.

He’s not a working royal.

There were strong and repeated calls for them to be financially independent.

You can’t have it all ways.

Plus many other minor royals have jobs. Pretty nice ones. Their connections and status naturally helped them in securing those. They are not working in Tesco.