Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU to tell every mother on mumsnet...

999 replies

LastRoloIsMine · 25/02/2021 22:18

We nearly lost the word mother and all that comes with it?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4176497-History-in-the-making-Watch-Parliament-Live-at-2-30pm

The maternity bill wanted to remove the word mother/woman and replace it with pregnant person.
Those words are important and women have fought for a century to be recognised yet we were nearly wiped out in favour of belief not fact.

I wont say "I am not transphobic" like some sort of plea! I dont actually have to I am just fighting for womens rights no need for me to explain myself any further.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
17
MrsBrunch · 27/02/2021 18:11

@Mylittlesandwich

Basically if I don't agree with the vitriol I've just to fuck off? Nice.
Didn't you just come on the thread specifically to ask us to fuck off?
youvegottenminuteslynn · 27/02/2021 18:12

@Mylittlesandwich

Please keep this to the feminism board. Which I usually avoid and never comment on. It isn't a game of who can shout the loudest here. I don't feel eroded just because someone else has been recognised.
Eh? What about anyone else's rights?! What an odd statement.
Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:12

No I didn't I came on to provide a differing opinion.

BarbaraofKent · 27/02/2021 18:12

You know exactly who you're denying so don't play innocent. The attitudes to trans people on Mumsnet make me sick.

This is a thread about a Maternity bill. It's about women wanting the word 'mother' on that bill.

Do you or do you not think that the word 'mother' should be used on a piece of legislation about maternity rights?

Erkrie · 27/02/2021 18:12

Basically if I don't agree with the vitriol I've just to fuck off? Nice

Can you see the irony here?

Erkrie · 27/02/2021 18:13

No I didn't I came on to provide a differing opinion

Which was what again?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/02/2021 18:13

@Cailleachian

Oh..its in the dictionary....I see.

So a woman is a man who is female?

Your supposed Gotcha! with that dictionary definition just shows you don't know how dictionaries work. Or you forget when it might be convenient to bastardise a definition.

Mankind etc...

LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:13

Basically if I don't agree with the vitriol

There is no vitriol.
Over 1300 people agree that the word mother needs to be included in a maternity bill.

The vitriol is coming from those who believe anyone can get pregnant.

OP posts:
Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:14

@BarbaraofKent

You know exactly who you're denying so don't play innocent. The attitudes to trans people on Mumsnet make me sick.

This is a thread about a Maternity bill. It's about women wanting the word 'mother' on that bill.

Do you or do you not think that the word 'mother' should be used on a piece of legislation about maternity rights?

I don't believe it's necessary no. If you are a person who has given birth you will be protected by that phrase. No matter how you identify.
BarbaraofKent · 27/02/2021 18:14

No I didn't I came on to provide a differing opinion.

Well what is that opinion then, because so far all you have done is complain about this being in AIBU and not wanting to see it?

What is your opinion on the wording on this bill?

Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:14

@BarbaraofKent

No I didn't I came on to provide a differing opinion.

Well what is that opinion then, because so far all you have done is complain about this being in AIBU and not wanting to see it?

What is your opinion on the wording on this bill?

See below
MrsBrunch · 27/02/2021 18:14

@Mylittlesandwich

No I didn't I came on to provide a differing opinion.
There have been lots of differing opinions on this thread. Feel free to add yours though.
Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:15

If you could all hit refresh before you quote me that would be great.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 27/02/2021 18:15

This is not about transpeople or trans rights.

It is about women's rights.

That you want to make all about trans rights is your agenda, not mine!

Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:16

I can't think of anyone other than a trans person who may have given birth and wish to be called something other than a mother so to me it appears to be a trans rights issue. If you would care to enlighten me about other people that wish to use another term to describe themselves I'm all ears.

BarbaraofKent · 27/02/2021 18:17

Sorry, x posted.

I don't believe it's necessary no. If you are a person who has given birth you will be protected by that phrase. No matter how you identify.

The word used before was 'person'. 'Person' could be anyone. If you are talking about 'people' on a maternity bill, then how do you know you are talking about mothers? If you cannot identify a group then you cannot protect their rights.

A 'person who has given birth' is 'a mother'. They literally mean the same thing, and 'mother' is the correct word so let's use it.

Erkrie · 27/02/2021 18:17

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe your opinion was to tell us to post somewhere else where you don't have to see it. So when people kindly provide suggestions on how you can hide the thread, you accuse them of telling you to fuck off (your words not mine). So what is it exactly you're telling us to do again? You can use your own words if you like.

LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:17

No matter how you identify.

Its law. Its not about personal choice. It is about legal terminology.
The legal terminology for a female who has given birth is mother.
People can identify as they which but in law it has to be accurate and defined. So it has been. The laws states female who gives birth is a mother therefore it includes every female who gives birth no matter how they identify. Its an inclusive word.

OP posts:
youvegottenminuteslynn · 27/02/2021 18:17

@Mylittlesandwich

People responded to your first post incredulously because you took the time to post on a thread saying it should be moved somewhere else because you didn't want to see it.

Now you actually have shared an opinion, as is your prerogative. But your first response to a thread about a maternity bill (with hundreds of posts so clearly something hundreds of people do want to engage with) was to say it should be moved somewhere you don't have to look at it. Rather than you just taking the initiative to not read it... you can see how rather entitled that was of you now you look back, surely?

MrsBrunch · 27/02/2021 18:18

@Mylittlesandwich

If you could all hit refresh before you quote me that would be great.
No
LunaMuffinTop · 27/02/2021 18:18

Shouldershrugger

So women aren't allowed to refer to themselves as women or use the usual womanly terminologies now?? This is starting to really piss me off now. And no, I'm not transphobic. But I believe I should be able to identify and use womanly terms as I bloody please. I'm not standing against anyone but I'm standing up for myself as a mother, sister, daughter, wife, auntie and most importantly a woman!

This

Nameitychangity · 27/02/2021 18:19

@Mylittlesandwich

Basically if I don't agree with the vitriol I've just to fuck off? Nice.
Whatever do you mean? Like the women who are basically told to 'fuck off' from forums related to women's health issues when they raise a concern that they are no longer allowed to refer to their biology for fear of offending someone? Like the women who are basically told to 'fuck off' when they raise concerns about sharing an intimate female space with a biological man who can present any way he wants? Like the women who are basically told to 'fuck off' when they want to be assured that they have a female sexed health provider? Like the women who are told to basically 'fuck off' when they want to be assured of sharing a shelter, changing room, or be intimately searched by a female sexed person? Like the women who are basically told to 'fuck off' if their religion prohibits them from sharing certain facilities and services with male sexed people? That kind of 'fuck off'?
BarbaraofKent · 27/02/2021 18:19

I can't think of anyone other than a trans person who may have given birth and wish to be called something other than a mother so to me it appears to be a trans rights issue.

Transmen who have given birth are mothers in the eyes of the law. Anyway, what about how other women feel? I don't want to be referred to as a 'person who has given birth', I am a mother, a woman.

gardenbird48 · 27/02/2021 18:20

I stumbled across this article recently....

A century ago, after years of campaigning, women over the age of 30 who owned property were given the right to vote in the UK.

But for many thousands of women, it was not a moment of celebration.

Known as the anti-suffrage movement, these women had been working to oppose the suffragettes.

They believed women didn't have the capacity to understand politics, and portrayed the suffragettes as a group of "ugly" women and "spinsters".

a) totally bonkers that only women over the age of 30 or over 21 if they owned property initially were given the right to vote in 1918 - women didn't get a fully equal right to vote until 1928!!
b) there were quite a large number of women who actively opposed the suffragettes cause and wanted to prevent women getting the vote.

We seem to have a similar situation today. Some women are happy with their lot have little comprehension of the issues and have absolutely no regard for the feelings of many other women, those who have identified (through logic and research) that removing our words will inevitably harm us and removing our single sex spaces and facilities and undermining safeguarding for children will also be harmful. We are already seeing significant evidence of harm.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42704341

LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:20

I can't think of anyone other than a trans person who may have given birth and wish to be called something other than a mother so to me it appears to be a trans rights issue.

Its your choice to make it a trans issue. But seen as less than 3 transmen a year give birth why would legislation ignore the other 640,000 women?

OP posts: