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AIBU to tell every mother on mumsnet...

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LastRoloIsMine · 25/02/2021 22:18

We nearly lost the word mother and all that comes with it?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4176497-History-in-the-making-Watch-Parliament-Live-at-2-30pm

The maternity bill wanted to remove the word mother/woman and replace it with pregnant person.
Those words are important and women have fought for a century to be recognised yet we were nearly wiped out in favour of belief not fact.

I wont say "I am not transphobic" like some sort of plea! I dont actually have to I am just fighting for womens rights no need for me to explain myself any further.

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Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 17:58

@LastRoloIsMine

Please keep this to the feminism board

No.

This affects all women if not with this bill it will others.
Who do you think you are telling me where I can post?

Who do you think you are trying to deny people recognition and legal protections?
Thelnebriati · 27/02/2021 17:58

This isn't about anyone being included, this is about erasing women from the legal language.

Walkaround · 27/02/2021 17:58

Someone or something? What’s in a word?

BarbaraofKent · 27/02/2021 17:59

Why should we all have this shoved down our throats?

Oh the irony!

BarbaraofKent · 27/02/2021 18:00

Who do you think you are trying to deny people recognition and legal protections?

I know right?! It's disgusting that women and mothers cannot be named as such on a bill about maternity rights!

LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:01

&Who do you think you are trying to deny people recognition and legal protections?*

Who am I denying?

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FamilyOfAliens · 27/02/2021 18:01

Who do you think you are trying to deny people recognition and legal protections?

I think you may have this arse upwards.

Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:01

@BarbaraofKent

Why should we all have this shoved down our throats?

Oh the irony!

Every other thread on here is along these lines. You can't even say the word gender without the militia closing in.
Biscuitsanddoombar · 27/02/2021 18:01

No one is required to read or comment on this thread sandwich. If it bothers you so much don’t read it or hide it

Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:02

@Biscuitsanddoombar

No one is required to read or comment on this thread sandwich. If it bothers you so much don’t read it or hide it
I'm on the app or it would be gone already.
ArabellaScott · 27/02/2021 18:02

Did you know you can 'hide thread' and never see a thread again?

MrsBrunch · 27/02/2021 18:02

@Mylittlesandwich

Why should we all have this shoved down our throats? Let me guess no is a complete sentence?
Correct.
LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:03

Mylittlesandwich

Who am I denying?

Posted again cos bold didnt well bold.

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gardenbird48 · 27/02/2021 18:04

great thread Rolo.

It is such a good question - Am I Being Unreasonable to tell every other mother how close we are to losing our words?

Sometimes I feel like I am watching a slow motion car crash in one of those dreams where I can't get the words out to warn everyone of what is happening.

Thankfully we have places like Mumsnet where we are actually allowed to discuss it (to an extent) and alert other mums to the situation.

The deliberate strategy of getting legislation passed 'under the radar' like Ireland and Canada nearly worked until some brave women managed to raise the alarm, then were amplified by the amazing JK and now we have ever growing ranks of people who, having understood what is going on, can see the consequences (already being experienced by too many).

The huge strides that we have made are reflected in the level of knowledge demonstrated by the debate in the House of Lords, thanks to Baroness Nicholson who has also been a victim of the trans lobby and is a powerful force of nature.

We need to keep pushing and talking to everyone we can and writing to MPs and every organisation that has removed Sex from the list of protected characteristics in their anti-discrimination policies and make them listen.

I have never seen such a movement that has such an active disregard for truth, fairness and mostly importantly, safeguarding the children.

LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:06

gardenbird48

Thank you. Most of my threads are normally shit druken rants Grin

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Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:06

@LastRoloIsMine

Mylittlesandwich

Who am I denying?

Posted again cos bold didnt well bold.

You know exactly who you're denying so don't play innocent. The attitudes to trans people on Mumsnet make me sick.
ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 27/02/2021 18:07

I am perhaps a traditionalist but make no apologies as I am from a traditional family background of father mother grandparents grandchildren that sort of thing. I trust this is not offensive in today's new world alternative family structures and super sensitivity when one cannot use words as initially intended without apparently offending the 0.0000001% of the adult population.

It would be amazing if there was a poster from these rare biological backgrounds to explain their concerns and to assess how they feel about equality, human rights and naming conventions. I am very open minded but failing to keep up with all these new genders inter genders hybrid genders cross genders blended genders and transitioning genders etc which seemingly did not previously exist?

I am assuming it may be politically incorrect to have traditional labels anymore and so on a practical level gender identification on birth certificates, passports, sporting competitions and even toilets etc may need to be more inclusive to include that one in a million/billion who is not a male nor female in the traditional sense.

I am a normal/regular/traditional mother but confused with these other categories of "mother"?

Happy to learn more from said types to explain their viewpoints. Not discriminatory but just here to learn whether this thread is about a solution to resolve an issue or a solution looking for an issue to address.

Datun · 27/02/2021 18:07

Cailleachina

The reason you're in a muddle is because the terms man and woman are not gender terms, they are sex terms.

A woman is an adult human female. And a man is an adult human male. Irrespective of how they want to identify their gender stereotypes.

The minor humans of these categories are girl and boy. Hence why a lot of women talk about 'women and girls'.

There are many cultures where a girl becomes a woman at the onset of menstruation. Hence pregnant woman. But, of course, here we also get pregnant girl, due to child sex abuse.

You imagining that the term woman is ring fenced in terms of pregnancy, and therefore is a gotcha, is incorrect. Girl, is also ring fenced. Because they both refer to females, just at different life stages.

You're further incorrect, in that the legislation references the word mother, not woman, not girl. Just mother. Which would apply to both women and girls.

But the weirdest thing is that you think the terms woman, man, and presumably girl and boy, are gender terms.

They're not, they are sex terms.

Nameitychangity · 27/02/2021 18:07

Why would you bother to comment on a thread you have no interest in? Since this is an issue which affects women, not just those who think of themselves as feminist or class themselves as such, its right and proper that it be on the main board in a predominantly women's forum.
And nobody is denying anybody anything.

littlbrowndog · 27/02/2021 18:08

Yeah thanks rolo

Great thread

Erkrie · 27/02/2021 18:09

Why should we all have this shoved down our throats? Let me guess no is a complete sentence?

You don't need to. You can ignore it or hide it. I don't respond to every post on MN. Goodness me, if I did, I'd never get anything done. ☺️

youvegottenminuteslynn · 27/02/2021 18:09

@Cailleachian

Gonna go down a storm in the abortion clinic when you refer to your clients as "expectant mothers"
Using an example of a child under the age of consent being raped as an attempted gotcha moment and then referencing abortion clinics? What a disappointing run of behaviour from you. Embarrassing too, for you.
Mylittlesandwich · 27/02/2021 18:10

Basically if I don't agree with the vitriol I've just to fuck off? Nice.

Erkrie · 27/02/2021 18:10

The reason you're in a muddle is because the terms man and woman are not gender terms, they are sex terms.

I reckon so. Its easily done. These days.

LastRoloIsMine · 27/02/2021 18:10

You know exactly who you're denying so don't play innocent. The attitudes to trans people on Mumsnet make me sick.

Actually I dont.
Every female who is pregnant or gives birth is covered in the bill my the legal term mother or expectant mother. Nobody who this bill is designed to protect is left out.

Name the people/groups I am denying.

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