To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

@StarlitTrees

I can't believe someone who is 39 thinks people who are 60+ have no function in society..... This is the sort of perspective a child has when they see people middle aged and up are ancient. Shame on you.

Absolutely.

Not all young people have a long expectancy for sure. But I think it can be agreed that younger people generally will have more years left than older people.

My parents who are both in their 60's may well be retired but my Mum has been caring for her own Mum who is in her 80's, helping me throughout me being pregnant on my own, & helping my Dad who has been moving house in the middle of it all! He is also leader of a community group who goes out in all weathers to improve the local area.

Neither of them have been sitting around knitting & gardening

There has been absolutely no talk about the implementation of vaccine cards and it would cause a fucking riot if they tried enforcing them before everyone had been issued a vaccine. Even then it is grey territory.

Everyone talking about how it is fair do give yourselves a wobble. The younger generation have been fucking shafted, economy is fucked, taxes are rising, facing the biggest unemployment the country’s seen in decades the least to throw in we should put up and shut up that we don’t get the same opportunity because of our ages is an insult.

Also it’s agist.

However, i am totally against the idea of vaccination cards for every day life. I do agree with you in one sense it was the tone of your post...

@gigity I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? That people shouldn't travel abroad until the staff are all happy to come back to work? The industry will have enough staff and the people that want to,travel,can travel.

I'm damn sure the OP is not one but concerned about the staff welfare if she travels, aren't you?

It has been particularly hard for working parents trying to homeschool at the same time, I hear you. The younger age group have made the bigger sacrifice to protect older age groups. That’s not ageist. It’s a fact. People don’t like it because they don’t want to hear it.

It was still the right thing to do. And it is going to fall on us (younger generation parents of working age) to pick up the slack financially long-term. That is also a fact. There’s nothing we can do about it.

What goes around comes around. No generation has had it easy. It does seem a bitter pill to swallow though that the generation who have sacrificed the most (generally speaking) are the last to have their lives back. So I do understand where you’re coming from.

It was still the right thing to do. Yes it has been, & will continue to be tough for us. But it’ll be alright soon enough!!!

I’m within two years of being a Boomer - it’s not ageist - we have spent the last year ostensibly protecting these people - they should not have freedom and free rein at the expense of people who followed the rules and stayed home to protect them.

If they have been vaccinated then yes they should. Being petty is not a good reason to reduce the freedoms of those who have been vaccinated. Everyone will have their turn soon enough.

But what if you can't have it because you are pregnant or breastfeeding will you then be penalised as you haven't got a vaccination card.

It's not like you have chosen not to have, you physically can't so then what will happen.

Why the insistence that younger people have years left and the oldies should get to Sean off on holiday regardless? I have 3 relatives pass away in their early 40s (not of covid)

Statistics

Ageist*

I do think it is ageist to discuss the impact upon different groups , the impact of the U.K. response to Covid has had and rill continue to have a disproportionate impact upon different groups . All government policies have a different impact. The retired have been able able to retire at 60 if female. Future generations will not be so fortunate. We have as a society shielded the vulnerable and old. We have done this and that is a fact , now is the time for us to all everyone freedom not just the vaccinated

Apologies - should read I do not think it is ageist

Would you want to take risks and go off abroad pregnant / still breastfeeding if you can't yet have the vaccination? I wouldn't personally.

@MrsCobbit

I’m within two years of being a Boomer - it’s not ageist - we have spent the last year ostensibly protecting these people - they should not have freedom and free rein at the expense of people who followed the rules and stayed home to protect them.

Yes, it is. In fact, so is the way you have phrased your post ...”boomer” ....”these people”

You could apply for an open position in the NHS if you want to be vaccinated so badly.

@nattiee

But what if you can't have it because you are pregnant or breastfeeding will you then be penalised as you haven't got a vaccination card.

It's not like you have chosen not to have, you physically can't so then what will happen.

The same as if you wanted to travel to a country that currently insists on any vaccination you cannot have for whatever reason. You cannot enter.

This isn't a new situation it's very current.

@MrsCobbit

It’s just appalling- we have shafted our children’s education and mental health and we are about to allow the Boomers to fuck off on holidays because they are vaccinated- this is wrong- the Boomers must be made to wait until we can all take our children on foreign holidays again

I’m really hoping that’s a joke.

We haven’t as a society shielded the vulnerable. Most clinically vulnerable people have worked throughout.

Let me see now, who has had it easiest? A 39 year old having to spend time with her children home schooling, juggle work and can't book a holiday or my 98 year old gran who has literally been in her house since March 2020 and is painfully aware that there is a good chance she may never actually see most of her family again?? Still, I suppose she has the memories of her sacrifices during the war to keep her company.
I have never heard such self- absorbed snowflakery.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?

I don't think it's hard to grasp...

That people shouldn't travel abroad until the staff are all happy to come back to work? The industry will have enough staff and the people that want to,travel,can travel.

Your point was people will be desperate to get back to employment & salaries. My point is that some will also be anxious & resentful to do this whilst awaiting their vaccine. Do you not think this is true?

I'm damn sure the OP is not one but concerned about the staff welfare if she travels, aren't you?

You certainly aren't.

Personally I think it's the epitome of privilege to assume that all tourism & leisure workers will be chomping at the bit to get back to work because they are desperate for money despite awaiting their own vaccines.

Also where is the unity? We’ve locked down together, we’ve made sacrifices together. It should be everyone or no one. If they enforce vaccination cards it should not be until everyone has had an equal opportunity. How is that fair in the slightest?

No that is simply not good enough or fair enough - when can my 21 year old travel again - as it stands his 86 year old grandad will be allowed to travel before him

I'd like to remind OP that the truly elderly people (80+) who really may not have many more years left to enjoy, many of them have been shielding and even if not their lives have been seriously curtailed with none of the clubs and other social activities that give pleasure and physical and mental health.
This is the generation that lived through WW2, were evacuated, bombed, bereaved and then rebuilt the country.
So I'm happy if they get a holiday.
NB Holidays are available in the UK.

Hang on...

Where has all this nonsense come from?

We aren’t allowed to travel for a while yet. No one is going on a cruise imminently. All adults in the U.K. are to be offered a jab by the end of July. So if you need a vaccine card you will have one. And that’s a big IF.

And stop with the ageist bullshit. The majority of knitters and plant enthusiasts I know are hipsters in the 25-35 age bracket. Loads of over 60s have been working for the NHS, in care homes, in schools, nurseries, supermarkets, the council etc. Not to mention caring for grandchildren and very elderly parents. Loads of younger people (and I include myself here) have been on furlough doing very little and had a lovely summer out at restaurants, the cinema, bbqs etc. The older and vulnerable population had to stay home too and often weren’t even allowed to go out for a walk or see a single soul. We’ve all had a shit time. Getting pissed off over a 6 week window where Sylvia at number 20 can go on Ryanair to Alicante before you is really, really daft. And hypothetical so far.