To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

I really wouldn’t worry about needing proof - I had mine through work and was given a card with my vaccine details on - this could easily be faked, and although it will be on the system I’ve had it, the NHS doesn’t have one central system for things like this. The last thing they are going to want is every single person asking for a letter of proof they’ve had the vaccination from the GP. It just wouldn’t work

@TwirpingBird

I think what you are saying is very unfair, but I dont think it will actually happen. The backlash would be of epic proportions. Businesses need money, we need tourists, people need to spend money. They wont push an entire section of society out of the (desperate) recovering economy. I imagine these vaccine cards will be introduced when all adults have been vaccinated, and there will be exceptions (pregnant, kids, allergies). Boris needs our money. He isnt going to turn our pound away at every pub and restaurant.

However I do imagine we will need one for international travel, which I do understand, even though it means I may have to wait til August to see my family in Ireland again while everyone else gets their reunion.

I hope you're right. It would deny a whole lot of people the ability to go out and help boost the economy. I just got nervous watching the news with reports of airlines saying this would be a requirement and talk that it would be the same in the hospitality sector too.

For the record- people seem determined to completely miss my point or haven't read my posts properly. I DON'T expect people to wait until I am vaccinated to be vaccinated or to book a holiday either. I am fine with the order of vaccinations- it's as it should be. What I don't think is fair is those unvaccinated unable to enjoy the same freedoms as those vaccinated. They should be open to everyone at the same time, not just those vaccinated.

I think you’ve made your point very badly OP by including lazy stereotypes of people over 60, many of whom have been going out to work despite being at higher risk of covid. Lots of posters have made this point so I won’t dwell on it.

Your basic premise that the younger, who have had little to fear from covid and have sacrificed a lot to protect the vulnerable, can feel hard done by that they have to sit at home and watch those for whose benefit they gave up so much out having fun while they’re still stuck at home - well of course it’s not fucking fair. No one with any sense of fairness could say it was. It is unavoidable as of course the more vulnerable should be vaccinated first, but the net effect is really shit.

I don’t think these passports will happen for domestic entertainment. However I do think we need to get retail and hospitality open as soon as possible to try to help those industries and those whose livelihoods depend on them, so if this passport scheme means that can happen earlier, then that’s preferable to making everyone wait till everyone can do. It is unfair on the younger demographic but it’s the lesser of two evils as compared with these industries remaining forcibly shut.

Also where is the unity? We’ve locked down together, we’ve made sacrifices together

To some degree. But it's not been equal for everyone has it. For those who have still had to work and try to home school because they had no chance of being furloughed. It wasn't equal then and it's not now. So what.

@MrsCobbit

No that is simply not good enough or fair enough - when can my 21 year old travel again - as it stands his 86 year old grandad will be allowed to travel before him

And your point is? Why is your 21 year old more deserving than his grandpa?

Also where is the unity? We’ve locked down together, we’ve made sacrifices together. It should be everyone or no one. If they enforce vaccination cards it should not be until everyone has had an equal opportunity. How is that fair in the slightest?

It's not but apparently it's snowflakey to say so.

younger generation have been fucking shafted, economy is fucked, taxes are rising, facing the biggest unemployment the country’s seen in decades the least to throw in we should put up and shut up that we don’t get the same opportunity because of our ages is an insult

I do agree with this. Despite being late 50s (with no intention of sitting knitting & gardening🙂) my DCs are mid-20s and it annoys me how selfish and disparaging far too many are, when it comes the young people. So dismissive. We aren't frozen in time, young people now are the ones who will be tasked with caring for elders in the future.

I won't blame them if they don't particularly give a shit about all that since throwing them under the bus in favour of middle aged and elderly seems to be entirely acceptable. Which isn't to say we don't deserve care but, young people do too. & They've longer to live with the effects of the past year - it's not just about Covid, either

Wow OP over 60s are sitting back relaxing and stealing all the vaccines are they?!

I should tell my 63 year old mum that who has yet to have hers and continues to work in a supermarket every day dealing with people refusing to wear masks and not social distancing

You obviously live a very sheltered life if you know few over 60s still working. Either that or you are on the wind up

So that will make it better for them if all the older people agree not to go on holiday until the younger people have been vaccinated too? Seems pretty petty to me. Especially as it's a matter of months not years.

@gigity

Also where is the unity? We’ve locked down together, we’ve made sacrifices together. It should be everyone or no one. If they enforce vaccination cards it should not be until everyone has had an equal opportunity. How is that fair in the slightest?

It's not but apparently it's snowflakey to say so.

Quite.

A clear ageist statement but if we’re not placing everyone 60+ on a pedestal then we’re the purge on society. Utter bollocks, imagine a thread about under thirties being allowed on holiday first. There would be uproar.

Everyone has suffered and been crippled by lockdown. Not just the older generations.

@DeeCeeCherry as a not so young person I agree, some of the posts here are quite shocking.

[quote BusyLizzie61]@studychick81
I presume you're aware that many thousands of families who have been shielding for most of a year, regardless of restructurings lifting, as not 70 plus?
I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age. likewise are you not aware that 67 years is retirement age? And the age group most adversely affected workwise in this pandemic is 50+?
But to clarify, I'm 45. Shielding. This meant not leaving the house from March until August! Entirely different to your situation. Worked all the way through. Taught my child all the way through. Vaccinated.

Yes I'll be going away ASAP. Do I feel guilty that you feel screwed over as may not be able to when you could have and probably did holiday last summer, eat out, go for days outs, when you COULD have done safely. No I don't!

As for paying for this. That's the fault of furlough etc. Not me nor the 70 pluses. And I'll be carrying their debt until I retire and have it impact my pension pot.

So no, they may be unfair in your mind, but I don't give a damn![/quote]
Actually I didn't go on holiday last summer abroad, I didn't participate in eat out to help out either.

No that is simply not good enough or fair enough - when can my 21 year old travel again - as it stands his 86 year old grandad will be allowed to travel before him

You sound very bitter. Your son has the possibility of 100 holidays in front of him, or more. Your 86 Grandad may not have many at all, if any, after all this is over.
I have adult DCs, my husband is older and has had some health problems, they want us to be able to go away again, and I desperately want them to be able to also. We're both sympathetic of each others' situations.
We're not booking anything until things are stabilised and our DCs have been vaccinated too.

If you're so desperate for your son to be vaccinated, get him to do shifts at a vaccine centre, eventually he will be vaccinated because of mixing with so many people.

A clear ageist statement but if we’re not placing everyone 60+ on a pedestal then we’re the purge on society. Utter bollocks, imagine a thread about under thirties being allowed on holiday first. There would be uproar.

Could you imagine!

I really hope the obvious trolls on this thread have got something from it. That they feel heard, vindicated or whatever the hell else it is they are after. It’s really not nice to make complete strangers, whose mental state you just don’t know, feel bad just to make yourself feel better though is it? I don’t imagine it works either.
You probably need a holiday...but I’ll probably be going first. Because my status as my child’s carer bumps me, and him, up the list. You could get really tied in knots working out the ‘fairness’ there, couldn’t you?

I dont have the stats but my feeling is many many elderly have died because of covid and the lack of care from the government til now. Our local nurse was told they were to keep people at home and in care homes and make them comfortable in March 2020 and you may have seen the struggles of care homes being reported so yes they should be first in line along with the seriously ill.

Im your age and getting mine in 2 weeks because i have an autoimmune disease and as well as my day job i am a fulltime carer for my partner who is seriously ill.

Im just trying to be alive this time next year never mind thinking about holidays

Thanks you jasjas - exactly my point. I don't begrudge anyone having a holiday, the vaccination before me or getting their freedom back. BUT I should be able to have the same whether I am vaccinated or not.

Apologies again if I have offended people. I take back my comment about 60+ not working.

And your point is? Why is your 21 year old more deserving than his grandpa?

Presumably because the 21 year old is not vulnerable to covid but the 86 year old is. The 86 year old was a beneficiary of the lockdown, the 21 year old wasn’t. In the 21 year old’s case he has suffered the effects of lockdown (which have been awful on the young) for no benefit to himself.

In lockdown the needs of the 86 year old were prioritised (rightly IMO). The 21 year old may feel aggrieved that having made sacrifices for the 86 year old, its is the 86 year old who will get his freedom back first. The 21 year old could well think hang on, what about me, I lose out in lockdown and I lose out after lockdown too.

I genuinely don’t know why this is hard to understand.

Agree Sevensilverrings

I actually cannot believe I have just read that someone would be angry their parent got to go on holiday before them or their adult child. Are people really this petty and small minded?

And no, I am not a Boomer and have not had any vaccinations yet. Am unlikely to be fully vaccinated in time for a summer holiday abroad this year, but I absolutely do not begrudge that opportunity to a single person who happened to be ahead of me in the vaccine queue, whether that is due to their age, medical issue or caring responsibility.

Some jaw dropping selfishness on here.

Utter bollocks, imagine a thread about under thirties being allowed on holiday first. There would be uproar

I wouldn't care that much. I'd be pleased for them that life was getting back to normal and it would hopefully be my turn soon.

I think it’s ok to be direct about the fact - yes fact - that the younger generations have had to pick up a lot of the slack for this & will continue to have their futures defined by it to some degree.

That doesn’t minimalist the experiences & the sacrifices older generations have made. Two realities exist in the same frame of suffering, which has been all-encompassing for everyone. We all rely on one another, at some point in time.

I saw a wire which sums it up - we are all in the same storm but done of us ocean liners and yachts, others small dinges whist some us are just swimming and clinging to drift wood.

I totally agree it's unfair. I've given up a year of my life to help protect the elderly and the vulnerable against a virus that is realistically zero risk to me personally. Now I've got a holiday booked for July and I might not be able to go, but anyone over 60 or who is vulnerable is free to go and do as they please? It feels like a slap in the face. I'm well aware I'm being unreasonable but I'm fed up of sitting at home after a year. At least offer the vaccine privately so we can choose to pay for it and get on with our lives.

Where is this place that I can go to when I'm 60 to knit and bake all day?
I won't receive my pension until I'm 67 and I probably won't be in a position to retire then.

@OP - nobody has asked you for a vaccine certificate yet. Do you always jump the gun?

You're allowed to book travel just like 'the oldies' anytime you want. Nobody is stopping you. Find an issue where there actually is one.

@studychick81

Thanks you jasjas - exactly my point. I don't begrudge anyone having a holiday, the vaccination before me or getting their freedom back. BUT I should be able to have the same whether I am vaccinated or not.

Apologies again if I have offended people. I take back my comment about 60+ not working.

Err you actually said 50+ OP. Don't forget to apologise to them too.