To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

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I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

Aside from that there's so much fussing generally. I went to Ghana years ago, Yellow Fever vaccine required on entry. No vaccine? Off you go back home and no official could care less what reason/story you have as to why you didn't vaccinate.

That's got nothing to do with the OPs point though.

It's not even about protecting the NHS, the elderly or the vulnerable. This is a global pandemic. If you let it rip through unhindered then society itself is at risk if too many get Ill at once. We haven't "given up a year of our lives" we just had to change our behaviour for a bit whilst they try to control things.

@Kimye4eva do you think the tourism industry, that's on its knees and wanting everyone able to book a holiday will insist on a vaccination passport?

Or do you think they'll try and make up for the awful time they've had and welcome passengers and staff accordingly?

I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored

Plenty have also been working on the front line, in the NHS, in social care, in care homes, supporting people in their homes, as part of the covid response. I don't know any full time bored knitters in their 60s. Appreciate I may not move in the same circles.

@Blockedoff so you did misunderstand my point?

I'm afraid that the young despite the fact they won't be vaccinated will be back to work, they have rent, mortgages and bills to pay.

That may be true but it doesn't mean they will necessarily be happy about it.

Not every young person lives with their parents to support them.

What's this got to do with anything?

jasjas73 I think you are misunderstanding the premise of this.

The vaccination passports, like the one I currently hold, are to enable us Brits to gain access to other countries who require us to have been vaccinated.

This is not within UK gov remit. The vaccine documentation under discussion in the media would be provided in response to demands from other countries. If the EU instate a blanket requirement for this then there's fuck all you, I, or UK gov can do about it other than helpfully provide us with the documentation, same as they do for a "regular" passport.

Does this make sense now?

Or do you think they'll try and make up for the awful time they've had and welcome passengers and staff accordingly?

If a vaccine passport enabled them to run a full plane or a full resort rather than at 1/3 capacity, or allowed them to start operating two months earlier, for example, I can see the attraction for them.

I've had the 1st vaccination so has DP. The next one is on a few weeks.

We had it before our parents who are all in their 60's/70's.

None of us are going anywhere until the vaccines have been taken up with most of the population as it doesn't mean we are completely immune.

Chances are that countries that people want to visit may have less of an uptake on vaccination or may have a different variant.

I do hope our parents get to go on a few more holidays while they can enjoy them. We won't be going as the kids range from 20's to under 10 and they won't be vaccinated for a while!

Also never written vaccination so many times in my life!

It isn’t fair, but that’s life. We locked down to protect the elderly but you aren’t asking them to stay at home to protect you, just not go on holiday because you can’t, it’s not exactly the same is it? If there is substantial evidence that the virus still spreads in the same way, it would make sense for everyone to remain restricted until everyone is protected, but otherwise I don’t have an issue with it. It’s just one of those things!

This is the most self involved thread I have ever seen on MN.

Huge numbers of vulnerable and older people have gone out to work throughout this to keep the country running in crappy low paid jobs. They can’t afford to retire before sixty.

And the issue of fairness in your mind is who gets to go to the cinema or on holiday first.

I can see your point op . Personally I disagree with vaccination cards , given the vulnerable groups will have been vaccinated they will move around freely and yes there is a risk for the unvaccinated but it is their choice. Society has protected the vulnerable during the pandemic

@gigity you think young people won't be happy to be back to work so they can pay their bills......... really?

It's relevant if they live alone, they need to pay their own bills and will be overjoyed to have a job and income.

I never understand how people get to a certain age and think life is fair, or that it ever could be?
The holiday that you might like to book should have to be cancelled for a start, because most people can’t afford one. Which isn’t fair. Or does fairness just apply when it impacts you, in the circumstances you choose to apply it to?
Surely, if we start down that road we never stop? My neighbour has had the vaccine, she’s group six and so am I. Maybe the process should just stop until we are all equal. Step back and count your blessings, and allow others to have theirs. Especially when it’s just about you waiting for a while. Not such a big deal really is it?

It’s just appalling- we have shafted our children’s education and mental health and we are about to allow the Boomers to fuck off on holidays because they are vaccinated- this is wrong- the Boomers must be made to wait until we can all take our children on foreign holidays again

It’s just appalling- we have shafted our children’s education and mental health and we are about to allow the Boomers to fuck off on holidays because they are vaccinated- this is wrong- the Boomers must be made to wait until we can all take our children on foreign holidays again

What an ageist and appalling post.

I can't believe all this "Waah! Waah! It's not fair!"

USA , Turkey, and Canada are already discussing how they will be controlling visitors with "vaccination passports" and it's possible EU will do the same. I really hope we set up a similar programme so that all the hard work we have all done isn't unravelled by importing Covid via unvaccinated tourists.

OP do you think our cash starved tourism industry should be "fair" and say they won't accept any visitors until everyone has had the opportunity to be vaccinated, regardless of age etc? It's a stupid idea.

@MrsCobbit please tell me that was tongue in cheek? 🙏

you think young people won't be happy to be back to work so they can pay their bills......... really?

Again that's not what I said is it? I said some young people may resent having to go back to work when they are yet to be vaccinated. Young people are not a homogenous group. You can't think any may be anxious......really?

Other countries can demand a vaccine passport if they want to protect their populus and their economies from a horrible disease. We british people do not have some sort of divine right to go on holiday to Spain.

I think the vaccine passport thing is a bit of a red herring tbh - it may well not happen and if it does it’s unlikely to be rolled out before most U.K. adults have been at least partially vaccinated. There are also likely to be exemptions. In any event it’s unlikely to be quite as stark a divide between old and young as you suggest OP (still not sure I’m on board with the idea of such an idea being used domestically though).

But I do think you have a wider point about intergenerational relations and inequality. I think this will become a defining political issue in the short to medium term, and that sadly there will be growing tensions between the generations. Intergenerational inequality was already emerging as an issue before covid struck - the country has been run largely on behalf of older people for years now - but this will become more keenly felt as the massive social and economic fallout from both covid and Brexit become clearer, and the young shown to be disproportionately affected by both.

Basically the young have been shafted economically and politically for years, and the aftermath of covid is going to shine a spotlight on this - just probably not in the form of vaccine passports.

Hilarious, most 60 year olds I know are definitely working.

My parents are early/mid 70s and it may surprise you to know...they’ve been working throughout the pandemic in healthcare. They’ve never picked up a trowel or a knitting needle in their lives and don’t particularly like cruising. They’ve been too busy saving lives. Loads of 60+ healthcare professionals out there.

I think you are being ridiculous personally and ageist.

I resented going to work all through covid, unvaccinated. Unfortunately in one of those roles that was considered essential. That's just life isn't it. At least on the plus side the risks are generally lower to younger people.

Why the insistence that younger people have years left and the oldies should get to Sean off on holiday regardless? I have 3 relatives pass away in their early 40s (not of covid) - it could equally be said that 60/70/80 year olds already had their chance at life/holidays/fun and why should we be held back any more on their account? Nothing about it would be fair (and I say that as someone who is fully vaccinated) and therefore I agree with the OP - “vaccine passports” should not be a thing until everyone has had the opportunity to have one

@lockdownalli

jasjas73 I think you are misunderstanding the premise of this.

The vaccination passports, like the one I currently hold, are to enable us Brits to gain access to other countries who require us to have been vaccinated.

This is not within UK gov remit. The vaccine documentation under discussion in the media would be provided in response to demands from other countries. If the EU instate a blanket requirement for this then there's fuck all you, I, or UK gov can do about it other than helpfully provide us with the documentation, same as they do for a "regular" passport.

Does this make sense now?

Thankyou for the condescending reply.

I'm well aware that if the EU say non, then Bojo can have 1000 route maps and we will not be allowed to go to a EU country for holidays.

My point is that assuming we are allowed but only those vaccinated, then the Govt should stop all but essential foreign travel, just as the elderly refused point blank to lockdown unless we all did.

I distinctly remember Baroness Altmann (former pensions minister) enraged that this had been suggested, stating the over 60s would be taking to the streets and how divisive it was........

I’m within two years of being a Boomer - it’s not ageist - we have spent the last year ostensibly protecting these people - they should not have freedom and free rein at the expense of people who followed the rules and stayed home to protect them.