To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

@Blockedoff

I am not saying that, I think they shouldn't Insist on vaccination cards for foreign travel until everyone is vaccinated and so it's a level playing field.

You can only go through the school holidays, so WTF should everyone wait for you, for it to be a level playing field?

You are determined to misunderstand my meaning aren't you! I do not mean that. I mean everyone can go when they like, without any proof of vaccination needed. But people who are unvaccinated should be able to go when they like too without having to wait what could be ages until they are vaccinated.

Sorry I did not mean to come across as a ageist. Sorry if I have defended people. That wasn't my intention. My own experience is that 60+ aren't working, but I guess that is my own experience so I mentally edit that comment from my OP, as can't physically do it.

All these people banging on about UK holidays, have you tried to book something for summer in the UK recently?

Can't find anything!

@AlternativePerspective

Think of the benefits of having a UK holiday.

There’s the benefit to the environment with less people flying all over the place, and given the UK economy is suffering I think that we should be contributing to that rather than flitting off to another country.

Ye ..... I havent been home in nearly 2 years. I am effectively locked out of my own country. If my dad had a heart attack tomorrow I wouldnt be able to go as I would need a test I cant afford and 2 weeks isolation either side.

Drives me mad when people think that a plane is just to get Malaga for a week of drinking.

Tbh I can’t think of anything worse than getting on a plane right now and potentially being stuck in another country if they should go into lockdown. No ta.

As for needing a summer holiday, aren’t you lucky that you can afford one.... Not everyone can, and it’s probably the people who are the least well off who need a holiday the most because they have to struggle so much all the time, and yet they’re not going to get one. What do you propose we do about that then eh?

@gigity you won't need a vaccination passport to work, don't be so ridiculous! You think the government are going to insist on passports to work 😂

People are already booking holidays, they'll have plenty of staff, don't you worry.

I see your point OP. Lockdown does not affect older people as much as the younger. My DC have done nothing and been nowhere for a year.

we get some shite on here, and this thread has it with the addition of a good dollop of ageism.

This is bollocks. It affects people in different ways. My mum is in her 80s, lives alone (widow) and has literally see nobody except the postman and shop staff since last March.

When you're 80 you'll be whingeing about how good youngsters have it, i suppose

@OlympicProcrastinator

I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age

You’re talking shite love.

best comment ever, and I completely agree!

@Chocsmyfav

Lol I think you’ll get a bashing on this thread. Yes I agree with some of what your saying, I think the elderly should get the vaccine first but there is plenty young healthy people skipping the queue getting the jag, not willing to wait for their turn.

People can't 'skip the queue' In significant quantities. If you log into the NHS website and try and book you will only be offered a slot if you are in the right age group.

I know some people who have been given 'spare' vaccines because they were volunteering or working in CoVid centres that had left over doses at the end of the day. That's fair enough, it's better than wasting them and it speeds up the rollout. I even know one brazen person who popped into her local centre at the end of the day and asked them outright if they had any spare. They did and were delighted to inject her rather than throw it away. There's nothing to stop you doing the same thing.

@user1471453601

The current thinking according to then media, is that the " passport" will be either staying that the person is either vaccinated or have tested negative. That " or" is important. There are some who can never be vaccinated because of allergies for example.

And a big ThanK you to the couple of posters who have pointed out that the older you are, the less time you have to "catch up" on " normal" life.

Opening poster, is not a competition to decide who ( or which group) have suffered most. As my DD aside the other day " We are all dealing with shit, it's just that one persons but isn't necessarily the same as mine".

If that's the case, then that would be fine for international travel. I hope that's the case.

I hope no proof of either will be required to go to the cinema, concerts, indoor sports and things like that.

@Blockedoff how did you get that from my post? 😆
Where did I say anything about needing a vaccine to work?

Tourism & leisure tend to have a young workforce. Some may not want to work whilst awaiting their vaccine.

@studychick81
I presume you're aware that many thousands of families who have been shielding for most of a year, regardless of restructurings lifting, as not 70 plus?
I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age. likewise are you not aware that 67 years is retirement age? And the age group most adversely affected workwise in this pandemic is 50+?
But to clarify, I'm 45. Shielding. This meant not leaving the house from March until August! Entirely different to your situation. Worked all the way through. Taught my child all the way through. Vaccinated.

Yes I'll be going away ASAP. Do I feel guilty that you feel screwed over as may not be able to when you could have and probably did holiday last summer, eat out, go for days outs, when you COULD have done safely. No I don't!

As for paying for this. That's the fault of furlough etc. Not me nor the 70 pluses. And I'll be carrying their debt until I retire and have it impact my pension pot.

So no, they may be unfair in your mind, but I don't give a damn!

"We have protected the older generations by giving up a year of our lives,"

WRONG. The NHS is being protected.

@lockdownalli

However, there wont be any vaccine passport or cert, unworkable, unfair and will make Bojo unelectable.

What do you mean? I suspect it would be a very popular strategy to insist that visitors to UK have to be fully vaccinated. The UK government has little control on what restrictions other countries set around immigration from the UK - especially now we gave up our voice in Europe.

Thats not what i was commenting on...

So its the older vaccinated who can swan off on sunny hols, leaving the young behind, to enjoy wet, expensive UK....? that is utterly unfair and will cause huge division, young people have given up education, university graduations etc and first thing the older person does is go abroad (obv if possible) sticking two fingers up to the young.

Won't happen in a million years, vaccination passports are for the fairies.

As for paying for this. That's the fault of furlough etc

🙄

I am not saying that, I think they shouldn't Insist on vaccination cards for foreign travel until everyone is vaccinated and so it's a level playing field.

‘I can’t have it so no one should’ isn’t a great look, OP, and not very sympathetic to those holiday companies, airlines, restaurant workers et all who’d you’d rather see go without custom for longer, possibly meaning more people lose their jobs and more businesses go to the wall.

Nothing about this shitshow is fair. But I have huge sympathy for the companies who have been prevented from operating for months and months, the restaurants and pubs who are looking down the barrel of running and 10-30% capacity for ages yet, the theatres and cinemas and other venues.

If a vaccine passport enabled them to open at full capacity sooner and enabled them to claw back some of what they’ve lost and potentially avoid financial ruin for themselves and their employees, then I can’t really quibble. I’m only slightly ahead of you in the vaccine queue, FWIW.

And it’s worth remembering that the fewer businesses that are destroyed and the fewer people unemployed, the better for all of us in terms of a functional economy and sustainable public finances.

Don't forget that there are 50 and 60 year olds who have been working with young children and who do not wear face coverings, and who might have spouses or very elderly parents and who have not seen them in nearly a year.
And may have lost someone due to Covid.
Just hang back a little.

@Nam095 not the point of the thread but all three vaccinations are considered safe for breastfeeding mothers now. The breastfeeding network has information on this! The only thing noted to pass to baby is extra antibodies and there's no need to stop feeding if you have it. That's not to say anyone needs to have it if they don't feel comfortable with it, but the recommendations have changed.

I am over 60 and still working. According to the Govt I don't get my state pension until I'm 66

[quote Blockedoff]@gigity you won't need a vaccination passport to work, don't be so ridiculous! You think the government are going to insist on passports to work 😂

People are already booking holidays, they'll have plenty of staff, don't you worry.

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Plenty of companies are already seeking legal opinions on whether they can insist on vaccines for their staff. It won’t be long before it’s a requirement for new employees.

Nobody has demanded vaccination cards for travel etc OP, you're getting carried away with Facebook hype and talk. So many people chat shit on there as if it's a definite, when all they're doing is speculating on what they think will happen.

I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored

Well that might be your lifeplan but not far off 60 I still lead arts classes (online now) keep pretty fit, and do music studio work (which I'm paid well for) as well as have a p/t job I love 3 days per week.

I'd love to be great at gardening but nope, I'm rubbish at gardening.

Anyway OP your turn will come around then you can go wild if you wish. To make up for the knitting and gentle gardening you'll be doing at 60🙂

Aside from that there's so much fussing generally. I went to Ghana years ago, Yellow Fever vaccine required on entry. No vaccine? Off you go back home and no official could care less what reason/story you have as to why you didn't vaccinate.

@Georgyporky

"We have protected the older generations by giving up a year of our lives,"

WRONG. The NHS is being protected.

Rubbish - the NHS has collapsed, few if any are getting elective surgery.. me included, 18months, Fil 2.5 for a double hernia, he's more likely to die waiting, in constant pain and at risk of serious complications.

Estimated to be 10m waiting for treatment by May.

@Blockedoff

I am guilty of not having RTFT , but I'm glad that you and I agree at least!

The 'it's not fair' argument has always got my back up, whenever it's used.

@gigity I'm afraid that the young despite the fact they won't be vaccinated will be back to work, they have rent, mortgages and bills to pay.

Not every young person lives with their parents to support them.

I hope no proof of either will be required to go to the cinema, concerts, indoor sports and things like that.

What's wrong with being tested before doing these things? It's not a great hardship and it's hardly going to be long term once the vaccine has been completely rolled out.

Nobody has demanded vaccination cards for travel etc OP, you're getting carried away with Facebook hype and talk.

To be fair to the OP the government announced yesterday it was investigating this and would report in a few months.