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truetuesdays · 24/02/2021 22:36

@Marzipanfruit congratulations on paying all of your taxes for so many more years than us. We are so thankful that your taxes stretched to cover your pension so we don't have to pay it. We are so thankful to not have 0% mortgages anymore and that the majority of our generation will never see home ownership because people 20-30 years ago caused the banks to see a loophole and crash themselves in 2008.

I am so thankful that your generation will get to see shopping, eating out and holidaying in its full force before us diabolical youngsters. I am so thankful that we work those roles to which you can snap your fingers and demand another tanqueray and tonic right here right now.

I am so thankful that when working as 16 years old as a pub waitress your husband thought is appropriate to grab my bum.

So so thankful.

Or maybe I'm thankful that I was born in 1993 and would never pose this entitlement to the generation after me

toconclude · 24/02/2021 22:41

@thetemptationofchocolate

I am older and have spent much of this pandemic being kept apart from my terminally ill mother. I know people go on about transphobia on MN but really the ageism here is as shocking.

You're not wrong, on either count. Translation of OP: "why don't you Boomers just die already, and don't forget to leave us all your money. I resent the fact that you are still alive and I have been inconvenienced to keep you alive"

SunscreenCentral · 24/02/2021 22:45

To those who may consider traveling on a negative test: what will you do if you test positive before you try fly to back??! You’ll be stuck, infected and possibly ill along with it

Mittens030869 · 24/02/2021 22:46

The issue is that a lot of other countries will be requiring vaccination certificates, especially countries where the vaccine hasn’t been rolled out as yet. I see it as similar to when I’ve travelled to West Africa in the past and had to produce a yellow fever certificate. I don’t see it as a big deal.

And I think it’s likely that all adults will have been offered the vaccine by the end of July. The rollout has been very successful so far.

ClarkeGriffin · 24/02/2021 23:06

They've had many years of holidays that younger people haven't. Retired people are able to go on multiple holidays throughout the year if they like, families with dcs are restricted when they can go on holiday are probably, but always, have less holidays in general.

Ever thought maybe their retirement is their first chance to go on holidays? It was for my grandparents. Before then, they'd been too busy raising kids and working. Didn't have the money for holidays. They retired and started on holidays. Sadly my gran died not long after this so she got very few holidays.

I lack sympathy for you. You are rich enough to be able to afford holidays while young and with kids. You are a lot luckier than many people, so maybe you should accept your lot in life and get over the fact you possibly can't go on holiday this year. It won't kill you.

EasterIssland · 24/02/2021 23:16

@SunscreenCentral

To those who may consider traveling on a negative test: what will you do if you test positive before you try fly to back??! You’ll be stuck, infected and possibly ill along with it

That’s what insurances are for.

What about when you’ve travelled abroad and got ill ? Have you never considered that you could stuck, infected and possibly ill along with it? It’s not only COVID what can happen to you when abroad

FranklinHot · 24/02/2021 23:19

"Today 10:37 Snookie00

There’s a real “I’m alright Jack” attitude from many older people on their thread. Young people have locked down to protect old and vulnerable people ( and yes some young people are vulnerable to Covid and are heavy users of the NHS but the main people affected by covid and NHS users are the old and vulnerable). Now they’re being told they’re selfish for objecting to the main beneficiaries of the lockdown being able to go off on holiday when they can’t because they’ve not been offered vaccines. All these “holidays are not mandatory” posters - does this only apply to the under 50s?"

Totally agree with you.

Marzipanfruit · 24/02/2021 23:33

@truetuesdays I think you must be on the gin yourself! I have never had the luxury of a '0%' mortgage and have children your age who may never be homeowners either- unless I die and have any assets left for them to use as a deposit. I have no idea what you mean by my husband grabbing your bum - what a vile allegation to make to someone who you don't even know. People like you make me sorry for your generation of entitled selfish snowflakes who would never have survived what we had to put up with in the 70s and 80s. Go away until you have something of value to contribute to society.

Oldbutstillgotit · 24/02/2021 23:33

“ They've had many years of holidays that younger people haven't. Retired people are able to go on multiple holidays throughout the year if they like, families with dcs are restricted when they can go on holiday are probably, but always, have less holidays in general.”.

OP , do you not realise that is oldies used to also be restricted to school holidays when booking a trip away ? When my DC were school age , holidays cost a fortune however now that DH and I are retired we can pick and choose ( in normal times) . I refuse to feel guilty .

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studychick81 · 24/02/2021 23:40

@Oldbutstillgotit

“ They've had many years of holidays that younger people haven't. Retired people are able to go on multiple holidays throughout the year if they like, families with dcs are restricted when they can go on holiday are probably, but always, have less holidays in general.”. OP , do you not realise that is oldies used to also be restricted to school holidays when booking a trip away ? When my DC were school age , holidays cost a fortune however now that DH and I are retired we can pick and choose ( in normal times) . I refuse to feel guilty .

Whose trying to make you feel guilty? Just answering a point someone made trying to justify why the younger generation shouldn't be bothered about potentially missing out.

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studychick81 · 25/02/2021 00:05

@Mittens030869

The issue is that a lot of other countries will be requiring vaccination certificates, especially countries where the vaccine hasn’t been rolled out as yet. I see it as similar to when I’ve travelled to West Africa in the past and had to produce a yellow fever certificate. I don’t see it as a big deal.

And I think it’s likely that all adults will have been offered the vaccine by the end of July. The rollout has been very successful so far.

No not a big deal if the vaccination is readily available and you can book yourself in for one like yellow fever without any restraint. Whereas that's not the case with the covid vaccination. It's not yet readily available for everyone and may not be by summer.

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studychick81 · 25/02/2021 00:19

@Marzipanfruit

Haha, OP, you are obviously suffering from a bad case of sour grapes! I will hopefully soon be enjoying some grapes in the sunshine in the form of a glass of lovely vino. I have worked all my life, never taken a penny from the state and paid my taxes and National Insurance for over 40 years. Please tell the government I no longer need to work so can get my pension and free up my job for one of you younger people so supposedly desperate to work. I am nearly 60 and in a key worker role. I have 7 years to wait for my pension and at that point will maybe take up knitting! In the meantime, when I do finally get my vaccine I will holiday if I want to so suck it up.

Oh I am so sorry I didn't realise paying more tax means you are better than me and more deserving of a holiday and justifies you having freedoms from lockdown earlier than me. 😆 who gives a shit how much tax you've paid, it's got nothing to do with this topic. I am sure by the time I get to your age I will have paid my share too.

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studychick81 · 25/02/2021 00:32

@JassyRadlett

I would suggest no one has to show a vaccination record to do anything within the rules until everyone has been offered a vaccination. For foreign travel I would suggest a negative covid test is required there and back.

You seem determined to ignore that these two are not equal in terms of risk - otherwise international travel would be much more open right now.

You also seem quite happy to see businesses suffer further by potentially having to stay closed to all longer, because being open to some apparently wouldn’t be faaaaair..

No, business should be open to all, not just those vaccinated. If the CV and those most at risk are vaccinated then it's time to open up to EVERYONE. We are in a different place to when we opened up last time in terms of risk as we have the vaccination.

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Stompythedinosaur · 25/02/2021 00:37

This thread is mad.

Do fit an healthy people think they should be vaccinated before vulnerable people because they fancy a holiday?

Or do they think people who have been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed a holiday because they aren't?

If the latter, how will do feel about having to stay at home for an extra 6 months + after being vaccinated because younger people haven't been yet? I mean, there aren't even vaccines for dc available, we'd all be at home for a long time.

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studychick81 · 25/02/2021 00:45

@Stompythedinosaur

This thread is mad.

Do fit an healthy people think they should be vaccinated before vulnerable people because they fancy a holiday?

Or do they think people who have been vaccinated shouldn't be allowed a holiday because they aren't?

If the latter, how will do feel about having to stay at home for an extra 6 months + after being vaccinated because younger people haven't been yet? I mean, there aren't even vaccines for dc available, we'd all be at home for a long time.

FFS neither. How many times do we need to explain?

We think everyone should get the same freedoms at the same time. We should all be free to do what we like within the rules at the same time. The vaccination passports will potentially allow those who have been vaccinated to have more freedoms earlier than those who have been offered it due to their age, no-one is arguing the order of the vaccination priority list, only having/not having the vaccination allows you to do.

This is the last time I am explaining a perfectly clear viewpoint to people who can't be bothered to read posts properly.

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HalzTangz · 25/02/2021 00:48

@studychick81

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

The gov have said everyone over 18 be vaccinated by end July. The card you talk about is only a discussion stage at the minute with the govt, they haven't confirmed yet that they will go down that route. You are making a lot of assumptions

Blockedoff · 25/02/2021 00:53

@studychick81 any comment on the fact that your holidays mean giving your family abroad hugs, but those hugs are needed during hot weather only?

No point in going to give hugs in October or December?

How close are these family members, who you could give the hugs?

Surely if you've not seen them last year, you'd welcome a hug in October or December?

sneakysnoopysniper · 25/02/2021 00:58

Im in my mid 70s and not gardening and knitting. I single handedly run a business which is 99% export so bringing valuable trade into this country. Then there are the small matters of the 45+ years I spent working in the community when I was employed and the thousands and thousands of pounds Ive paid in taxes.

When you can compete with that OP post again and we will continue the debate.

nogooddeedgoesunpunished · 25/02/2021 01:00

70% of my team of senior managers who were working flat out over the past 12 months are 50+ and have been coordinating Covid responses in social care. Given your age you probably won't be retiring until you are 70! Pretty sure the Prime Minister is in his 50s

FrangipaniBlue · 25/02/2021 01:14

OP you could've went on holiday last summer, meanwhile the vulnerable were still being told to shield so couldn't.

How is that any different to you (potentially) having to stay in the UK for your holiday this year but those who have had their vaccination (ie the vulnerable) being able to travel abroad?

Scottyash · 25/02/2021 06:11

I agree its disgusting being made to do anything I thought I was a free man? Am I in a concentration camp are we that demoralised that doing whatever is asked just to get out of lockdown is now the prerogative? So this dictatorship what you want to get yourself indoctrinated into does it not resemble the holocaust how hitler used fear and propaganda to get idiots to go with his agenda? The vaccine does not guarantee immunity nor contagion levels so why is it anyone needs a vaccination certificate? Seems to me that this is eerily in line with the prophecy of in the bible I'm not religious fanatic but I like to learn dont you think you all ought to do the same? The bible verse I'm referring to is

("16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads,

17that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.

18Here is wisdom: Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.")

if the vaccine has to be administered in 2 parts I bet you have to alternate arms which would mean the right arm would indeed bare a mark.. just saying think everyone needs to wake up

Scottyash · 25/02/2021 06:22

Oh by the way if any of you have studied a bit of numerology you would know that covid 19 adds up to 36 or 3 6's hmmm very coincidental lol

Each letter of the alphabet corresponds to a number. For example, A=1,B=2, C=3, and so on. But when you get double digits for a letter, you add them together.

For COVID-19, this gives us:

C=3, 0=15 (1+5=6), V=22 (2+2=4), I=9, D=4, 1, 9

So we have 3+6+4+9+4+1+9 = 36

Or THREE SIXES (666)

Like I said are you all still asleep

BigPaperBag · 25/02/2021 06:27

So are you suggesting that no-one EVER has a vaccination card? Or are you saying that you should be able to break the rules and go out without the (proposed) vaccine card just because you feel fine and use the card once you get it?

EasterIssland · 25/02/2021 06:41

@BigPaperBag

So are you suggesting that no-one EVER has a vaccination card? Or are you saying that you should be able to break the rules and go out without the (proposed) vaccine card just because you feel fine and use the card once you get it?

No she’s saying that those of us that are at the bottom of the list we should be able to go abroad with something else whilst waiting for our vaccination. The countries not to only allow those that have the receive the vaccination.

YouAreYourBestThing · 25/02/2021 06:56

I'm so embarrassed for you OP. Your selfishness is outstanding! Your ignorance is astonishing 🤦‍♀️