To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

Seeing some of my family and giving them a hug involves going on holiday actually as not everyone's family lives in the UK. I haven't seen them since summer 2019.

Oh right! Massive drip feed!

Seeing some of my family and giving them a hug involves going on holiday actually as not everyone's family lives in the UK. I haven't seen them since summer 2019.

In that case, as someone who hasn’t seen any of my family apart from my husband and kids since the same time as they all live abroad, you wouldn’t be bothered about whether October or December are a ‘too cold’ to visit Europe.

Why is this thread still going in about whether it's fair or not.

It's unfair. Here, it's been said. Now what?

Oh, you have to live with it, just like just about everyone you can think of who can mention one situation that is unfair to them.

studychick81

*Yes, probably is sour grapes. I have understood the need to lockdown and have done my not to help more vulnerable groups. However, now we are coming out of lockdown we are the last to get our lives back. Sorry, but it feels very unfair.

I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.*

Well for a start 60 is definitely working age - I’m 65 and my retirement age is 67.

How is it unfair? What would be fair? One group has to be last, who would you suggest it should be?

generally 60 isn't working age.
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Having listened to Professor Jonathan Van-Tam England's deputy chief medical officer on Sky News earlier today I feel even more confident about the UK Covid vaccination program and also believe it is fair in its approach to prioritise the vaccination on vulnerability and age. This is a global vaccination supply and demand race against possible mutations that may defeat current vaccines. It is right that those most vulnerable to severe disease or worse is vaccinated first to prevent further fatalities and long Covid syndrome sufferers.

I also believe the record of vaccination as with all other medical records and similar vaccination records for yellow fever etc is important and should it be required to permit entry to nations, venues or events. This is fair as would otherwise not permit entry.

However as there may be a very small minority who cannot be administered with any of the current or even range of forthcoming new Covid vaccination offerings. - The record will need to accurately reflect this with details of medical complications as to why the holder cannot medically be vaccinated. Specific alternative arrangements will need to be investigated to allow a fair workable provision.

Vaccination proves that it protects the vaccinated and also protects the community.

Here is the link to Sky News Professor Jonathan Van-Tam England's deputy chief medical officer Covid Q&A with Sophy Ridge earlier today including some of the key things from the Q&A, followed by a short analysis from Sky News science correspondent Thomas Moore, who offers his insight on each answer:

news.sky.com/story/covid-vaccine-side-effects-fertility-and-jab-shortages-van-tam-answers-your-questions-12227598

@JassyRadlett

Seeing some of my family and giving them a hug involves going on holiday actually as not everyone's family lives in the UK. I haven't seen them since summer 2019.

In that case, as someone who hasn’t seen any of my family apart from my husband and kids since the same time as they all live abroad, you wouldn’t be bothered about whether October or December are a ‘too cold’ to visit Europe.

Yeah funny how it always has to happen in peak sunny conditions. But op wouldn't be interested a few months later when it's colder.

What?? I’m still working ,, retirement isn’t till 67 !

Why begrudge old people their holidays. For some it could be their last one. Younger people have lots of holidays ahead of them.

60 isn't really working age ? Assuming no private pension do they live off fresh air until they get a state pension at 67/68 ?

[quote ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]Having listened to Professor Jonathan Van-Tam England's deputy chief medical officer on Sky News earlier today I feel even more confident about the UK Covid vaccination program and also believe it is fair in its approach to prioritise the vaccination on vulnerability and age. This is a global vaccination supply and demand race against possible mutations that may defeat current vaccines. It is right that those most vulnerable to severe disease or worse is vaccinated first to prevent further fatalities and long Covid syndrome sufferers.

I also believe the record of vaccination as with all other medical records and similar vaccination records for yellow fever etc is important and should it be required to permit entry to nations, venues or events. This is fair as would otherwise not permit entry.

However as there may be a very small minority who cannot be administered with any of the current or even range of forthcoming new Covid vaccination offerings. - The record will need to accurately reflect this with details of medical complications as to why the holder cannot medically be vaccinated. Specific alternative arrangements will need to be investigated to allow a fair workable provision.

Vaccination proves that it protects the vaccinated and also protects the community.

Here is the link to Sky News Professor Jonathan Van-Tam England's deputy chief medical officer Covid Q&A with Sophy Ridge earlier today including some of the key things from the Q&A, followed by a short analysis from Sky News science correspondent Thomas Moore, who offers his insight on each answer:

news.sky.com/story/covid-vaccine-side-effects-fertility-and-jab-shortages-van-tam-answers-your-questions-12227598[/quote]
But what about those who want the vaccination but can't yet get it? What should they do when they want to attend an event or go on holiday? Is it fair or affordable for them to pay for a covid each time?

I am all for vaccinations and the order they are being given out. However, vaccination record are discriminatory and unfair.

@bloomingroses

Why begrudge old people their holidays. For some it could be their last one. Younger people have lots of holidays ahead of them.

They've had many years of holidays that younger people haven't. Retired people are able to go on multiple holidays throughout the year if they like, families with dcs are restricted when they can go on holiday are probably, but always, have less holidays in general.

@Wimpeyspread

studychick81

*Yes, probably is sour grapes. I have understood the need to lockdown and have done my not to help more vulnerable groups. However, now we are coming out of lockdown we are the last to get our lives back. Sorry, but it feels very unfair.

I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.*

Well for a start 60 is definitely working age - I’m 65 and my retirement age is 67.

How is it unfair? What would be fair? One group has to be last, who would you suggest it should be?

I would suggest no one has to show a vaccination record to do anything within the rules until everyone has been offered a vaccination. For foreign travel I would suggest a negative covid test is required there and back.

I would suggest no one has to show a vaccination record to do anything within the rules until everyone has been offered a vaccination. For foreign travel I would suggest a negative covid test is required there and back.

You seem determined to ignore that these two are not equal in terms of risk - otherwise international travel would be much more open right now.

You also seem quite happy to see businesses suffer further by potentially having to stay closed to all longer, because being open to some apparently wouldn’t be faaaaair..

Complain to the Virus.

To be fair, it wasn’t OP who mentioned paying for a jab.“

NO-ONE will be asked to pay for a jab in this first roll-out.

I would be very happy to pay for our boosters in subsequent roll outs, should it become an annual requirement, but anyone suggesting payment for jab now is a scammer.

@DenisetheMenace

To be fair, it wasn’t OP who mentioned paying for a jab.“

NO-ONE will be asked to pay for a jab in this first roll-out.

I would be very happy to pay for our boosters in subsequent roll outs, should it become an annual requirement, but anyone suggesting payment for jab now is a scammer.

You misunderstand. A pp wanted to pay to jump the queue.

@studychick81

Just in reply to your question following on form my earlier post.

I am in the category deemed too young and not medically vulnerable enough to be within the initial UK vaccination priority groups.

I am not health privileged per se but I am and intend to be as healthy physically and mentally as possible despite the ongoing pandemic challenges. I take minimal risks and over cautious wearing masks and proximity distancing for a year when others were initially debating mask functionality etc.

I would like to be vaccinated as soon as possible but as much I would desire this protection I understand that in the meantime I will not have the necessary prerequisite certification record for certain activities such as international travel, rights of entry to certain venues and events should this be required and indeed even available.

I do not see this as unfair as it is proportional and equitable because of adherence to scientific principles of best least worst option. Essentially in this pandemic there are no good nor easy options as it is all a balance and finding a path with the least worst pragmatic option. Technically absolute fairness would be vaccination on first come first served basis with no correlation to health risks. This being more unfair than fair. This is a difficult issue but fortunately as much as the UK political leadership has messed up pandemic management - the world beating British scientific community have stepped in to save our souls helped along with finally a government that has managed to be world beating in vaccination procurement backed up by our amazing frontline medical professionals with British Army logistical expertise.

I hope to be vaccinated at some point later this year as I patiently await my turn way way way down the priority list. It's not unfair but just the best worst solution to save as many more vulnerable as possible. I also look forward to my young child being vaccinated too at some later date! As much as children are also involved in some of the asymptomatic super spreading I would assume that living with Covid in the near future would involve vaccination for all as with seasonal influenza. My guiding principle is treat and respect others as how you would like tone treated. We are all in this together as Covid only discriminates on those with most exposure and medically vulnerable. Stay safe!

I think you need a bit of perspective.

VinylDetective

DenisetheMenace
To be fair, it wasn’t OP who mentioned paying for a jab.“

NO-ONE will be asked to pay for a jab in this first roll-out.

I would be very happy to pay for our boosters in subsequent roll outs, should it become an annual requirement, but anyone suggesting payment for jab now is a scammer.

“You misunderstand. A pp wanted to pay to jump the queue.”

Yes, I did. Thanks.

That just stinks. My husband is CEV, only just getting his jab next week. The queue is there for bloody good reasons.

I would pay to save an otherwise wasted vaccine if say because of a last minute no show or change of mind from an anti vaxxer or some older more vulnerable patient being particular about vaccine preference. This being if it would otherwise be binned and destroyed because it would not be at optimal condition (temperature etc).

I understand that initially some corporates (globally) did manage to obtain private vaccinations (not sure as to details but unverified hearsay) for approximately £2k per shot? Though this has since not materialised in the global rush.

It reeks Dennis, I’m surprised it didn’t get a pile on!

Haha, OP, you are obviously suffering from a bad case of sour grapes! I will hopefully soon be enjoying some grapes in the sunshine in the form of a glass of lovely vino. I have worked all my life, never taken a penny from the state and paid my taxes and National Insurance for over 40 years. Please tell the government I no longer need to work so can get my pension and free up my job for one of you younger people so supposedly desperate to work. I am nearly 60 and in a key worker role. I have 7 years to wait for my pension and at that point will maybe take up knitting! In the meantime, when I do finally get my vaccine I will holiday if I want to so suck it up.

This is what the vaccinated are thinking..

I am under 25 and initially felt frustrated with older generations booking holidays however I’m happy to see we won’t be able to travel internationally until May at the earliest and by then, nearly everyone would have had their vaccine.

I wouldn’t say everyone 60+ spent their time knitting and gardening. I work with several 60+ who worked throughout the pandemic with no PPE. To know people who are in their 60s and not working are very privileged as I don’t know of any!