To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

Where is the OP whinging & moaning about the possibility they may need to prove they have had a jab?

She wants a jab & is happy to prove she has one. What she doesn't want is to not be able to get one & miss out on things because she is still waiting for one due to her age.

And again if its bloody entitled to want a holiday then it's irrelevant what age you are.

And again how is it not entitled to expect all young people to be happy to return to their hospitality or leisure jobs & serve others whilst awaiting their own vaccination?

I agree with OP about the unfairness of only those over 50 being able to holiday this summer abroad, most adults will have their first vaccine by July but you will need 2 to travel abroad. Everyone feels they have had a tough 12 months and worked hard and I think most people regardless of age have had a tougher than normal 12 months and want a break. I have had both vaccines as a key worker but husband and adult son will not be fully vaccinated so do I leave them at home 🤷‍♀️.

You are making a fuss about nothing OP. It may be that some countries ask for proof of vaccination or a Covid negative test this summer but considering that most people in the UK will have been offered vaccination by then, what's the big deal and what do you expect "they" to do about it? "They" can't force other countries have different rules and why should they want to try ?If you can afford a holiday you can afford a Covid test.

@katedan

I agree with OP about the unfairness of only those over 50 being able to holiday this summer abroad, most adults will have their first vaccine by July but you will need 2 to travel abroad. Everyone feels they have had a tough 12 months and worked hard and I think most people regardless of age have had a tougher than normal 12 months and want a break. I have had both vaccines as a key worker but husband and adult son will not be fully vaccinated so do I leave them at home 🤷‍♀️.

What makes you think that only those over 50 will be able to holiday? It will be everybody or nobody .Stop reading rubbish and actually get the facts before you start whingeing about things being unfair.

There’s a real “I’m alright Jack” attitude from many older people on their thread. Young people have locked down to protect old and vulnerable people ( and yes some young people are vulnerable to Covid and are heavy users of the NHS but the main people affected by covid and NHS users are the old and vulnerable). Now they’re being told they’re selfish for objecting to the main beneficiaries of the lockdown being able to go off on holiday when they can’t because they’ve not been offered vaccines. All these “holidays are not mandatory” posters - does this only apply to the under 50s?

@wondarah

And again how is it not entitled to expect all young people to be happy to return to their hospitality or leisure jobs & serve others whilst awaiting their own vaccination?

I wonder if they will then prioritise those who work in this industries when deciding on the next vaccination tiers after tier 9. My understanding is they haven't decided on priority groups after that. Again, extremely unfair, those younger people are ok to serve those vaccinated to go on holiday and everyone else doesn't have the same freedoms. I am not just talking about holidays, there's talk of using these cards for cafes, pubs, cinemas and concerts- denying those who are most likely to visit these places and who expecting those unvaccinated to serve the vaccinated. Surely, if that's the case, it defeats the objective of making it safe by only having those who have been vaccinated being able to use these facilities as unvaccinated people will be serving them anyway.

I so want to flash my vaccine card

I agree with OP about the unfairness of only those over 50 being able to holiday this summer abroad,

If would be easier to worry about whether it's fair or not, if there was much likelihood of it happening at all. Last year several of my nieces and nephews (in their 20s) went on holidays abroad and no-one in my generation or the generation above went abroad at all. And no-one knows what the travel restructions will be this year. I really can't get that excited about which age group gets to holiday abroad this year. Mostly I hope we all do.

there's talk of using these cards for cafes, pubs, cinemas and concerts- denying those who are most likely to visit these places and who expecting those unvaccinated to serve the vaccinated

And talk is all it is. The economy won’t open up to special vaccinated people and leave the others pressing their noses to the window, businesses need everyone’s money.

By the way, your ageism is showing again - none of the businesses you mention are more likely to be used by under 50s.

Why didn't we go last summer? My DH is self employed, he was worried about his business, worried about work and having to make people redundant. He is the main bread winner and we rely on his wage. He needed to stay to make sure he got new business in to keep cash flow going and keep the business afloat. Not everyone has a solid and reliable wage coming in. By the time we looked the prices were sky high and we were worried about the government changing the laws so we would have to quarantine when we returned, we didn't want to risk the dcs missing any more school.

Why didn't we do eat out to help out? DH business mostly, plus I thought it was stupid allowing people to be packed into pubs etc. Both sets of parents have one which is CV and we didn't want to risk them to go for a meal. We have had no access to childcare through these lockdowns either because of this and so didn't seem much fun going to eat out to help out with dcs.

The only place I will be going to, is to see my elderly parents who not seen since 2019.

This thread is ridiculous. All these people whining about something that doesn't exist being unfair. It's just an excuse to slag off older people IMO.

I want my parents to be able to go on holiday and book days out while they can.

I just want to see my mum again and give her a hug. Nothing else matters. She's late 80's and I haven't seen her since Christmas 2019.

I am over 60 and still working fulltime, so are lots of my colleagues. I have had both vaccinations but that's because I work in healthcare. I was also very unwell with covid for a while - hopefully that will mean I'm super immune.

@SooMoony that's is what I to do. Both parents in their 80's, plus my dad has dementia. We are still waiting for both our next doses, I work in a care home.

We have had no access to childcare through these lockdowns either because of this and so didn't seem much fun going to eat out to help out with dcs.

Oh well hopefully a holiday with the DCs will be more enjoyable?

@studychick81 I also not that you feel you should be able to pay for a jab, how is that fair to people that can't afford it?

So you can holiday abroad and pay for a jab because you've got the cash, but sod those that can't afford to pay. They wouldn't need a holiday anyway, would they?

You come across extremely unpleasant.

It's not fair older people can go
It's not fair that I can't pay for the jab
It is fair if everyone waits for me to have the jab and then they can all go
It is fair if I can pay for and get the jab and get the "mystical" card and I don't care if others can't afford it. Those minions can wait in line.

[quote Blockedoff]@studychick81 I also not that you feel you should be able to pay for a jab, how is that fair to people that can't afford it?

So you can holiday abroad and pay for a jab because you've got the cash, but sod those that can't afford to pay. They wouldn't need a holiday anyway, would they?

You come across extremely unpleasant.

It's not fair older people can go
It's not fair that I can't pay for the jab
It is fair if everyone waits for me to have the jab and then they can all go
It is fair if I can pay for and get the jab and get the "mystical" card and I don't care if others can't afford it. Those minions can wait in line.

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To be fair, it wasn’t OP who mentioned paying for a jab.

[quote Blockedoff]@studychick81 I also not that you feel you should be able to pay for a jab, how is that fair to people that can't afford it?

So you can holiday abroad and pay for a jab because you've got the cash, but sod those that can't afford to pay. They wouldn't need a holiday anyway, would they?

You come across extremely unpleasant.

It's not fair older people can go
It's not fair that I can't pay for the jab
It is fair if everyone waits for me to have the jab and then they can all go
It is fair if I can pay for and get the jab and get the "mystical" card and I don't care if others can't afford it. Those minions can wait in line.

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Will be totally ignoring your posts btw as you seem completely determined not to willingly understand what I am saying and half of what you say doesn't relate to my own opinions or anything I have actually said, along with anyone else doing the same. So I am completely unaffected by them as I know they do not represent me or my opinion.

I am only interested in an interesting discussion about this not a war of words or insults and unnecessary name calling.

Seeing some of my family and giving them a hug involves going on holiday actually as not everyone's family lives in the UK. I haven't seen them since summer 2019.

I am not just talking about holidays, there's talk of using these cards for cafes, pubs, cinemas and concerts- denying those who are most likely to visit these places

There might be "talk" but it's obviously not very practical for services like pubs cinemas etc. It's more likely that those services will open when enough people are vaccinated throughout the population as a whole, than that evidence of vaccination will be used to decide who can go to the pub (etc) and who can't.

Seeing some of my family and giving them a hug involves going on holiday actually as not everyone's family lives in the UK. I haven't seen them since summer 2019.

So how does this make any difference to whether or not vaccine passports are fair? People of all ages and all stages of vaccination have family living abroad. The fact that not everyone is vaccinated yet wouldn't make vaccine passports unfair. And having family abroad doesn't make your travel more or less safe. Though you did say your main reason was for you and your children to have a much-needed summer holiday not to hug your family - which probably wouldn't be safe anyway unless you're vaccinated.

generally 60 isn't working age.

What planet do you live on OP?
How do you think people get money to live on once they reach 60?

@studychick81 but it's ok to be ageist? But you want a discussion, not a row?

Really?