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To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

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studychick81 · 23/02/2021 18:22

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

OP posts:
Oldbutstillgotit · 24/02/2021 09:37

I commented on this thread yesterday and am just catching up . I am shocked at the ageism here and disappointed that what could have been an interesting discussion has deteriorated into who has had it worse during a difficult year .
OP you haven’t covered yourself in glory with your ignorance of what we older people do with our lives or when most folk retire but I think you are maybe realising that now.
I am now going to help DGS with his French !

wondarah · 24/02/2021 09:39

I am shocked at the ageism here

I'm gob smacked too & I think a lot of people don't understand what ageism is.

ConsuelaHammock · 24/02/2021 09:42

The older will die sooner . Do you really begrudge older people booking holidays. If a holiday is the only think worth looking forward to, you should reevaluate your priorities.

DenisetheMenace · 24/02/2021 09:44

You keep prattling on about these passports yet have no reliable source! The article you linked even says there are no plans for this!

It was reported yesterday (either World at One or PM Programme, can’t remember which) that a Committee is being appointed to look into this. It’s being headed by Michael Gove. In which case I expect everyone who can will have been vaccinated anyway by the time it reaches any conclusions Grin

Original poster
studychick81 · 24/02/2021 09:47

@DenisetheMenace

You keep prattling on about these passports yet have no reliable source! The article you linked even says there are no plans for this!

It was reported yesterday (either World at One or PM Programme, can’t remember which) that a Committee is being appointed to look into this. It’s being headed by Michael Gove. In which case I expect everyone who can will have been vaccinated anyway by the time it reaches any conclusions Grin

😆 let's hope so.
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QuizzlyBear · 24/02/2021 09:50

@TroysMammy

Vaccination doesn't mean you can't catch Covid so a vaccination card is pointless. How many people carry around their vaccination cards they had as babies to prove they are immune from certain illnesses like whooping cough and diptheria?

People are under the impression that once they have the jab they are immune and can carry on life pre 2020. I had my 2nd jab today and I'm not under any illusion that I can fling my mask off and hug people.

Don't think they will be getting their lives back any time soon. I reckon there will be restrictions for a good while yet.

Actually latest studies show that vaccination results in a 67% drop in transmissibility, so whilst it doesn't halt transmission entirely, it does make a huge difference.
EasterIssland · 24/02/2021 09:52

I think nobody is understanding you, they're focusing in elderly bashing rather than what you're saying,

If people can travel with the passport then there should be possible to travel with something else and not only with it. And I agree with you, as said I've a country in mind which accepts passport/pcr/positive antigens. And I think most of the countries will do,

Bear in mind, Europe is really lacking atm in vaccination, a minority has been vaccines so they'll want to open their economies as well to other countries in Europe after last year.

I hope you manage to travel this year.

VinylDetective · 24/02/2021 09:55

@wondarah

I am shocked at the ageism here

I'm gob smacked too & I think a lot of people don't understand what ageism is.

Are you both shocked? Really? MN has awards for ageism. Its tolerance for it is world beating. Age and religious belief are protected characteristics MN gaily disregards all the time.
wondarah · 24/02/2021 09:58

I am, some of the attitudes to the young on this thread are pretty astounding & Im not that young.

VinylDetective · 24/02/2021 10:00

@wondarah

I am, some of the attitudes to the young on this thread are pretty astounding & Im not that young.
To be fair, while I’ll never defend ageism of any kind, the OP did kick off the thread with a hefty provocative dose of it. It was never going to go well.
UpstartCorvid · 24/02/2021 10:03

The opening post does tend to set the tone of a thread.

QuizzlyBear · 24/02/2021 10:05

Personally I think that there should be a weekend where (once vaccinated) everyone elderly / has been isolating / shielding for a year should be able to go out and enjoy pubs, restaurants and shops for one glorious weekend before the younger crowd are released.

I know people who live alone and haven't left the house in nearly a year. Knitting, FFS... (!)

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/02/2021 10:07

But those few months mean we miss out on a desperately needed summer holiday and events and activities with the kids over summer potentially.

"Potentially". Not really. At the moment you are in no more danger of missing out on holidays and activities than anyone else, vaccinated or not.

Where is the news source for this? If this is true I will be outraged

Don't bother, there is none. It's like 60 not being working age - the OP pulled it out of thin air so she could stress about it.

Anyone can book their summer holidays now but that doesn't mean they'll get to go. The OP has no idea whether her older relatives will get to go on holiday this summer, vaccinated or not. No problem, plenty of holidays will refund or postpone if you can't travel due to Covid restrictions. Just book one of those yourself, OP. Job done.

wondarah · 24/02/2021 10:08

To be fair, while I’ll never defend ageism of any kind, the OP did kick off the thread with a hefty provocative dose of it. It was never going to go well.

The OP was wrong & admitted so & apologised.
Imo there have been far more offensive points made since.

wondarah · 24/02/2021 10:09

Personally I think that there should be a weekend where (once vaccinated) everyone elderly / has been isolating / shielding for a year should be able to go out and enjoy pubs, restaurants and shops for one glorious weekend before the younger crowd are released.

And who will be working in these pubs, restaurants & shops to facilitate this weekend?

VinylDetective · 24/02/2021 10:11

@wondarah

To be fair, while I’ll never defend ageism of any kind, the OP did kick off the thread with a hefty provocative dose of it. It was never going to go well.

The OP was wrong & admitted so & apologised.
Imo there have been far more offensive points made since.

Of course there have because a lot of people don’t RTFT. I’d query whether any subsequent posts have been more offensive. Live by the sword, die by the sword 🤷‍♀️
Cynthia13 · 24/02/2021 10:15

@wondarah whats wrong with me? Let me see.... People are whinging and moaning and being bloody entitled over something as pathetic as a holiday and the possibility they may need to prove they have had a jab. When the reality is people are dying everyday from conditions that could have been treated but haven't been because of covid.

Yes there have been talks about a passport but nothing is confirmed yet. People getting their knickers in a twisy oflver something that may not happen and if/when it does they may have to wait a little while longer. Boo bloody hoo. Its not exactly the biggest problem atm is it? Really? No. its look at poor little me i cant go on holiday because i dont have a jab/passport.

We all need a break. Its a a few more months to wait, thats is all. Perspective on problems and all that.

wondarah · 24/02/2021 10:16

I’d query whether any subsequent posts have been more offensive.

Quite a few comments about taxes which are bullshit.
Something about funding furlough which is more bullshit.
And as I said in my first post expecting all young people to be happy to return to their hospitality or leisure jobs & serve others whilst awaiting their vaccination is highly offensive.
You can disagree if you want though.

titchy · 24/02/2021 10:18

But those few months mean we miss out on a desperately needed summer holiday and events and activities with the kids over summer potentially.

Of fuck off with your middle class privilege. Plenty of bloody hard working families NEVER have a summer holiday or the money to take their kids to activities. You'll manage OP I'm sure.

Besides come June 21 hopefully there will be nothing stopping you taking your kids out or anything. You're not going to be confined to your house FFS. Hey you'll even be able to go to the pub.

wondarah · 24/02/2021 10:20

People are whinging and moaning and being bloody entitled over something as pathetic as a holiday and the possibility they may need to prove they have had a jab.

Yeah, this thread is not about proving you had a jab. And if wanting a holiday makes you entitled then that applies to all age groups.

VinylDetective · 24/02/2021 10:23

Yeah, this thread is not about proving you had a jab. And if wanting a holiday makes you entitled then that applies to all age groups

The title literally says “vaccination cards* - what else is it about?

wondarah · 24/02/2021 10:24

Well I didn't have issues understanding the OP, I can't help you if you did.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 24/02/2021 10:28

I am not saying that, I think they shouldn't Insist on vaccination cards for foreign travel until everyone is vaccinated and so it's a level playing field

So the airlines and holiday companies and all their employees who are in a state of near collapse should wait for poor little you?

I should coco. Money needs to be spent on holidays to save jobs and the economy. But why not ask them to especially wait for ickle you?😡

Cynthia13 · 24/02/2021 10:28

@wondarah that is quite literlly what the op started the thread about.... Vaccination cards

VinylDetective · 24/02/2021 10:32

[quote Cynthia13]@wondarah that is quite literlly what the op started the thread about.... Vaccination cards[/quote]
We misunderstood apparently. 🤷‍♀️

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