To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

A vaccine card scheme is completely unworkable. It is open to forgeries and will cause hold ups as people find their cards. It will absolutely not come into force to access amenities in this country as a previous poster pointed out pubs, cafes, theatres etc are all staff by a majority younger population, bottom of the list to be vaccinated. It would only be a requirement of entering some countries

OP, you do realise that some people are going to come out of this lock down financially fucked don't you. Seriously if you're just fed up because you and your kids can't have a summer holiday then I despair. Just have a decent holiday next year, what does it matter. Lots of people will be worrying about saving their business, keeping a roof over their heads etc, you just sound more selfish with every post you make.

You have absolutely no idea what other people need, you don't know what their mental health is like of the mental and emotional impact on their dcs having so much time off school. You don't know if that persons family is abroad so it's the only way of seeing them. Maybe I do really need a holiday. Stay at home! That's funny, that saying sounds very familiar? Where have I heard that for the last year? I don't want to stay at home to holiday, I have been at home for a year! I wasn't one of those who jetted off on holiday at the first opportunity last summer, we were cautious- bloody wish I had done though.

You just sound like you're having a tantrum with that post. No you don't NEED a holiday, no one does. You want one. But you won't die without one, it's not an essential need and never has been. It's nice to get a holiday abroad, but consider how many people have never ever had one, even with mental health problems. They still cope. So no you don't need one. You do just literally want one. You can also go visit another part of the UK, you don't live in all 4 of the countries that make it up.

You should have been able to see this coming though, the travel companies said this last year. Dunno how you missed that, Qatar said last year that people will need a vaccine to travel. It's just kind of obvious it would be required, plus other countries probably won't want you in their country unvaccinated and potentially spreading it.

@ZoBo123

A vaccine card scheme is completely unworkable. It is open to forgeries and will cause hold ups as people find their cards. It will absolutely not come into force to access amenities in this country as a previous poster pointed out pubs, cafes, theatres etc are all staff by a majority younger population, bottom of the list to be vaccinated. It would only be a requirement of entering some countries

They’re doing it digitally in Israel and it seems to have got off to a pretty good start.

You can't really say one group has had it harder than another. Yes it's been hard work for those juggling wfh and work etc. But how hard do you think it has been for those who have had no company at all, for those who aren't up to date with technology, for those in care homes, for those who have been prevented from being with a loved one when they die, for those who have grieved alone.
It's been hard for all of us in one way or another

I know you want to go on holiday and you’re upset for the younger generation. I’m 23 so I understand. However, what’s the point in stopping people with the vaccine from doing things? I won’t have the vaccine for a long time now but if other people can get their lives back then more power to them. It’ll only be a couple months at most so what’s the fuss about? If we stop them doing things it only harms the economy more and forces the younger generation to pay more eventually anyway.

The government are aware of this and said they would ensure no discrimination until everyone can be vaccinated

@vodkaredbullgirl

Brilliant

I have actually got a quote for a cruise is November, figured I will have had two doses by then!

Some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. Yes the OP was wrong to think most 60 yr olds are retired however that doesn't mean her actual point is invalid.

Plus so many points completely contradict each other, ignore what the OP said & are whataboutery.

a) no one needs a holiday - applicable to all ages then.
b) it's important to have a holiday to save jobs - has no one noticed how many jobs are already lost & won't be returning, you happy to go without your vaccine?
c) I need a holiday more because I have less years of my life left.
d) what about people who can never afford holidays ever.
e) you're entitled, I deserve it because I've paid my taxes & paid for your education 🤦🏻‍♀️

Of course there is a valid discussion to be had around whether it's fair for young people to wait longer to do certain things if vaccine passports & restrictions were introduced.

Plus there is a discussion to be had around whether it's acceptable for staff who are unvaccinated (since so many in tourism, leisure & hospitality are younger) to serve the needs of those that are.
That debate should not be centred round the fact these workers are desperate for a job/money because that would be the definition of selfishness & entitled. And anecdotal evidence about the fact that everyone you know who works in travel/leisure is 70 or you know 20 yr olds who don't believe in covid & can't wait to get back to work is anecdotal & doesn't mean the debate shouldn't be had.

@JassyRadlett

These vaccination records shouldn't be made compulsory until everyone has the opportunity to get one.

Even if that meant more businesses going bust and more people losing their jobs?

I don't mean that, I mean open up without the requirement of a vaccination card so everyone can access these freedoms not restrict it to only those who have been vaccinated. I know the economy needs to open up ASAP, I want it to as well. I am not saying wait until I have had the vaccination to open up.

I don't know why this has become a who's had it worse competition and who's paid the most tax competition either. You might have paid more tax now, but by the time I die I might have paid more than you. You have no idea what tax threshold others are in. That's not what this thread is about.

In the reverse of that argument- older people have had many more years to enjoy holidays etc before COVID that younger people have not.

They’re doing it digitally in Israel and it seems to have got off to a pretty good start.

Which is fascinating, logistically. Is this operating in tandem with the legal requirement to carry a form of identity at all times? I did some training with the British Council in Israel-Palestine and it was a very different set-up from the UK.

Military service is embedded in Israeli life and I think the IDF - including very large numbers of serving young people aged 18-21 - were vaccinated fairly quickly along with reservists aged 21+.

Small country, different society.

@wondarah

Some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. Yes the OP was wrong to think most 60 yr olds are retired however that doesn't mean her actual point is invalid.

Plus so many points completely contradict each other, ignore what the OP said & are whataboutery.

a) no one needs a holiday - applicable to all ages then.
b) it's important to have a holiday to save jobs - has no one noticed how many jobs are already lost & won't be returning, you happy to go without your vaccine?
c) I need a holiday more because I have less years of my life left.
d) what about people who can never afford holidays ever.
e) you're entitled, I deserve it because I've paid my taxes & paid for your education 🤦🏻‍♀️

Of course there is a valid discussion to be had around whether it's fair for young people to wait longer to do certain things if vaccine passports & restrictions were introduced.

Plus there is a discussion to be had around whether it's acceptable for staff who are unvaccinated (since so many in tourism, leisure & hospitality are younger) to serve the needs of those that are.
That debate should not be centred round the fact these workers are desperate for a job/money because that would be the definition of selfishness & entitled. And anecdotal evidence about the fact that everyone you know who works in travel/leisure is 70 or you know 20 yr olds who don't believe in covid & can't wait to get back to work is anecdotal & doesn't mean the debate shouldn't be had.

Finally some sense.

OP, you're having a tantrum because probably for the first time, others are getting what you want and you can't do anything about it.

Welcome to the life of many! It's not fair? There are many things in life that are not fair. It doesn't matter to many until it affects them for the first time and they then become the loudest speakers of unfairness.

Your unfairness battle is so insignificant, noone will really care.

@wondarah

Some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. Yes the OP was wrong to think most 60 yr olds are retired however that doesn't mean her actual point is invalid.

Plus so many points completely contradict each other, ignore what the OP said & are whataboutery.

a) no one needs a holiday - applicable to all ages then.
b) it's important to have a holiday to save jobs - has no one noticed how many jobs are already lost & won't be returning, you happy to go without your vaccine?
c) I need a holiday more because I have less years of my life left.
d) what about people who can never afford holidays ever.
e) you're entitled, I deserve it because I've paid my taxes & paid for your education 🤦🏻‍♀️

Of course there is a valid discussion to be had around whether it's fair for young people to wait longer to do certain things if vaccine passports & restrictions were introduced.

Plus there is a discussion to be had around whether it's acceptable for staff who are unvaccinated (since so many in tourism, leisure & hospitality are younger) to serve the needs of those that are.
That debate should not be centred round the fact these workers are desperate for a job/money because that would be the definition of selfishness & entitled. And anecdotal evidence about the fact that everyone you know who works in travel/leisure is 70 or you know 20 yr olds who don't believe in covid & can't wait to get back to work is anecdotal & doesn't mean the debate shouldn't be had.

Really sensible post

older people have had many more years to enjoy holidays

I can assure you I have never enjoyed a holiday with my family in my life.

gigity

I have paid more taxes than you

How do you know that?
Even if it's true is that the yardstick?“

The young will predominantly have to pay for this. Maybe not forget though that the contributions of the oldies put the economy in a position where the Govt. had the leeway to step in to a degree with financial support.

There are very few winners in this, other than hedge funds. Everyone has suffered and all this division amongst age groups just serves to distract from what we should all be asking: when is the independent public enquiry into the Govt’s management of this situation going to be appointed?

@QueenPaw

I get that totally but my entire point was that the elderly have never had to shield, there was never a requirement to. So many people have been on and on about the elderly and locking down to protect them and working and tax paying etc while the people that are shielding and working age were forgotten about It's been shit for everyone but people moaning that they did it to protect people sat at home knitting who don't have children while they get their vaccine first is untrue and that's the bit that's annoying If that makes sense! It's like people lump us all in together and don't see that the CEV also have children and work and aren't 70+

You haven't been forgotten about. I fully understand that there are younger people shielding too. I very much sympathise with you. I have a friend in this category who is my age. She's had the vaccination already as have other friends my age who are front line staff or work in care homes/hospices. I am very pleased they have had their vaccination before me- it's as it should be.

@dontdisturbmenow

OP, you're having a tantrum because probably for the first time, others are getting what you want and you can't do anything about it.

Welcome to the life of many! It's not fair? There are many things in life that are not fair. It doesn't matter to many until it affects them for the first time and they then become the loudest speakers of unfairness.

Your unfairness battle is so insignificant, noone will really care.

Ok it's discriminatory- does that make it more valid?

@wondarah

Some of the comments on this thread are ridiculous. Yes the OP was wrong to think most 60 yr olds are retired however that doesn't mean her actual point is invalid.

Plus so many points completely contradict each other, ignore what the OP said & are whataboutery.

a) no one needs a holiday - applicable to all ages then.
b) it's important to have a holiday to save jobs - has no one noticed how many jobs are already lost & won't be returning, you happy to go without your vaccine?
c) I need a holiday more because I have less years of my life left.
d) what about people who can never afford holidays ever.
e) you're entitled, I deserve it because I've paid my taxes & paid for your education 🤦🏻‍♀️

Of course there is a valid discussion to be had around whether it's fair for young people to wait longer to do certain things if vaccine passports & restrictions were introduced.

Plus there is a discussion to be had around whether it's acceptable for staff who are unvaccinated (since so many in tourism, leisure & hospitality are younger) to serve the needs of those that are.
That debate should not be centred round the fact these workers are desperate for a job/money because that would be the definition of selfishness & entitled. And anecdotal evidence about the fact that everyone you know who works in travel/leisure is 70 or you know 20 yr olds who don't believe in covid & can't wait to get back to work is anecdotal & doesn't mean the debate shouldn't be had.

Yes. This is a really good summary.

As I see it, there are multiple difficult, competing pressures that need to be balanced:

• to get the economy back on track
• protect those unvaccinated from being pressured back to (potentially unsafe) work environments to serve the needs of those that are
• to minimise intergenerational inequality and resentment that might follow if some sections of the population are given more freedoms than others

I think it's a very difficult circle to square.

@UpstartCorvid

They’re doing it digitally in Israel and it seems to have got off to a pretty good start.

Which is fascinating, logistically. Is this operating in tandem with the legal requirement to carry a form of identity at all times? I did some training with the British Council in Israel-Palestine and it was a very different set-up from the UK.

Military service is embedded in Israeli life and I think the IDF - including very large numbers of serving young people aged 18-21 - were vaccinated fairly quickly along with reservists aged 21+.

Small country, different society.

I don’t know, I just saw a news item this morning. It included a picture and quote from a guy giddy with delight at being able to go back to his gym.

I think it's a very difficult circle to square.

Absolutely

It’s also a very transient issue. It’s projected that the entire adult population will be vaccinated by the end of the summer.

You keep prattling on about these passports yet have no reliable source! The article you linked even says there are no plans for this!
Your jab is recorded on your medical records, you can access this through either the my gp app or an nhs app (you might need a code from your go to access all of your records) . Take a screenshot. Theres your proof.
Now stop being a spoilt brat and think yourself lucky you are alive and well. Instead if acting like an entitled child.

Now stop being a spoilt brat and think yourself lucky you are alive and well. Instead if acting like an entitled child.

What's wrong with you?

I couldn't care less if the elderly get to go on holiday a few months before me. No one needs a holiday, I'm sure you'll manage.