To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

Vaccination that is.

I worked at age 16. I paid through my taxes as did all those in their 50's and sixties for her to go to school, doctors, hospitals. All of the public services she has enjoyed.

Umm no you didn't.

Your elected representatives borrowed money for all that.

Your generation didn't even pay enough taxes to cover your pensions.

I hear you OP. Possibly because my father retired at 50 on a final salary pension scheme and has been bone idle since then. Other than going on holiday or staying in his French holiday home. DM retired at 58. Pre covid, they spent 3 months in France, had a cruise in the Caribbean and a holiday to Mongolia, all whilst pleading poverty as "poor pensioners". They do actually live in a 5 bedroom house, bought while prices were affordable.

They are exactly the sort of people the OP has in mind and they really are that selfish. I'm low contact for my own sanity. They think younger people are there to pay tax to look after them in their old age and that they too could have have had a 5 bedroom detached house in Surrey on a teacher and computer repairs engineers:a salaries of only they had worked as hard as them. They don't think education is important. They just say they "deserve" their holidays because they worked for them.

It's fairly sickening actually how the young are being shafted with high taxes to pay for this and not even getting things like foreign holidays that others have had a lifetime of to make modern life more bearable. Life for young people is really all about what they can't do now.

@andisaidgo thank you, I would add I haven’t had the vaccine yet and won’t do for a while, but I don’t begrudge anyone who has because it is what it is. I could list plenty of sacrifices I’ve made in this pandemic, just like everyone else, but I don’t believe I matter more than the person next to me waiting to start their life again.

That’s a very selfish and entitled attitude to take, ffs they might get to go on holidays before you but that was because they had a higher chance of dying in the first place. The world does not revolve around you.

@yesyoudoknowme

Who is demanding vaccination cards? Oh and I am over 60 and have worked all through this pandemic so wind your neck in. Knitting and and gardening?

Me too. That's a fucking selfish attitude to have op. You do know us older people have paid tax and sometimes a lot of it for longer than you've been alive. Odfod.

Dont be selfish OP.

What a shitty attitude, OP.

I'm 60+, have our adult children, their husbands and our grandchildren all living with us. They moved in so we could all help and support each other. They work from home. My husband and me manage the home, majority of the meals and some school/childcare. My DH has worked all through the pandemic, he's a pilot, transporting, amongst other things, medication and vaccinations worldwide. He was only vaccinated this week.
Knitting........I wish.......

Oh I forgot. I will be paying taxes for another 7 years because I had to extend my mortgage until i'm 70 due to my husband having to retire early with ill health. I can't believe how angry I am at your attitude.

Nothing in this has been fair. I'm not sure what I think about vaccine passports but if they are deemed necessary for safety we can't ignore that fact for a while to make it fair. How would that be fair? It feels like you want everyone to be denied until you can have it too. What about those who work long hours on NMW and still can't afford a holiday - should we make it fair and say no one can go?
It's been rubbish for all but we are on our way out. I don't begrudge anyone. There will be lots of people cross schools are opening at the expense of what they enjoy - they don't have children - why should they care? Not a good look on anyone is it?

I've got my vaccine card and have booked 2 cruises, 3 holidays.

Need to rob a bank 1st though to do it.

You are young and healthy, you will have years of 'normal' for a lot of older people this might be their last year of normal.

I have underlying medical conditions, I have left the house 3 times since last March, I didn't 'dine out to help out' because I am at too much risk.

My 80+ year old father spent his first ever Xmas alone. His very kind neighbours provided him with an Xmas lunch.

I am too far away to go see him. My brother and family are even further away and as two work for the NHS and a third is a medical student even if they did live closer he would not be able to visit them.

Life isn't fair, most people realise that by the time they are 20.

60 isn't working age??? Where do you get that idea from?? Retirement age isn't until 66/67, so the majority of people 60 and over are still working FULL TIME. I am over 60 and I do work full time, I certainly haven't been sitting around knitting and gardening.

Your post stinks of ageism. One day you will be older too. It happens to all of us

Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice

I know you've backtracked on this, OP, having had your arse handed to you, but you did say it in your OP and of course it has infected the thread.

It is also a belief system that is either personally felt by you, in which case you might wish to reflect on your class privilege, your ageism, and your other prejudices; or you don't actually believe what you said and you are in the business of winding people up, in which case it might be argued that such posts come across as making you appear a bit of a twat.

Like others on here, I am 60. I have worked through this pandemic, and looked after a suicidal family member, and cared for another unwell family member, and struggled with my own health and finances, and done a tonne of pro bono work for others - and watched a torrent of casual sexism and ageism, as well as stucturally gendered inequality, be unleashed on the very women who are doing most of the bloody work to keep this country afloat.

@studychick81
Actually I didn't go on holiday last summer abroad, I didn't participate in eat out to help out either.
But that's because you chose not to, could have done as you don't feel you're high risk.
Whereas millions didn't because they were CEV or CV and too scared to do anything in fear of their health.
Would you feel so hard done by now if you had?

Holidays this year are going to be so expensive due to demand anyway, I doubt we'll be able to afford much.

@studychick81
Actually I didn't go on holiday last summer abroad, I didn't participate in eat out to help out either.

Why not?

I holidayed abroad last year and eat out to help out? Why were you being a martyr? It was allowed and within the then recommended guidelines.

Also, I find it odd that you can't enjoy a holiday unless it's hot?

Maybe try centreparcs this summer, they have a hot dome thing over the pool that's hot.

And also a lot of the NHS gardeners and knitters are putting away their hoes and needles and coming back to help vaccinate! That's as well as the ones over 60 that haven't retired (NHS salaries are not often known to lead to early retirement, particularly nurses).

@studychick81
*No no-one is stopping me booking it, but I am reluctant to incase it is brought in and then we can't go.

I do think in general those of working age, with young families or those studying and working with young families have potentially had it the hardest in lockdown. I say in general, before people pile on with their own personal experiences. Yet, apart from CV and those who are critical workers on that category we are potentially the last to benefit from coming out of lockdown.*
But again, you're choice not to participate, not to book etc.
There have been millions shielding, of working age, with young children, not having lived outside their 4 walls for a year.
Your lockdown has not been like my lockdown has it. OK so not soft play, and at points you've been restricted to remaining local etc. But you COULD and presumably did, holiday or go away in the UK in the last 12 months, have not ONLY eaten at home, have visited friends and family, have gone on days out. You HAVE LIVED.
Shielding has meant existing. Yes I have worked from home still. Taught my KS1 child, too scared to use the KW place, had groceries delivered, that's incomparable to your lockdown.
So again, yes it could mean you cannot go to theatre or necessarily abroad this year. But given they're aiming to offer the vaccine to all adults by July to autumn, is it really such a big deal for a few months to remain in the UK?

If they did come in to use in cinemas etc, who would staff them? Whatever people say, a lot in the hospitality trade are younger people, and it seems odd if people who use the facility have to have been jabbed yet those who work there haven't had the chance to have it yet. Foreign travel will be up to the country you want to visit I expect.

Also the who-had-it-worse Olympics is teedious.

I do think the concept of vaccine passports are unfair and immoral unless everyone is freely and easily able to access a vaccine.
And even then I feel slightly uncomfortable with concept as its a bit big brotherish.
I do undertand OPs view- the younger generation have stayed at home and made sacrifices to protect the elderly and vulnerable even though they were statistically very unlikely to become seriously ill. Now the elderly and vulnerable have had vaccines they potentially could be offered more freedoms than the younger generation even though as far as I understand once you are vaccinated you can still be contagious and pass on covid to others.
Hopefully government will meet its target and all adults over 18 will have vaccine by July and, if vaccine passports do come in , it wont be until after everyone is vaccinated and children will be exempt from needing one.

For the first time in the UK, there are more women aged 60 to 64 in work than not, according to an analysis of data from the Office for National Statistics.

^^ From an ONS press release in the Guardian last year, March 2020. Just for context.

@Runnerduck34 the slogan was

Stay home to protect the NHS

Oh dear you won’t be able to go on holiday for a few months longer. Get a grip