To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

@studychick81 you do know that the state retirement age is 67 in the UK. I take great fucking offence as a 54 year old frontline NHS nurse who has had most of my annual leave suspended last year. What little bit of the sheltered world do you live in

I take great fucking offence as a 54 year old frontline NHS nurse who has had most of my annual leave suspended last year.

Why is your annual leave relevant? I know lots of people who had it suspended in the NHS & police. Their age wasn't a factor.

Shielded people can go out

So can everyone else - even parents of young children. No Covid vaccination needed to go out

@truetuesdays yep, most of (I find) the rudest most self entitled people on this planet are of the older generation as well as prejudice in their list of general qualities.

Sorry I didn’t mean to upset you Vi having a young baby can be very isolating In normal times

I’m sorry

@gigity it's strongly advised not to shop at all - it says you are advised not to go to a shop
It's not minimising contact, it's avoiding all contact if you're following the shielding guidelines/consultant advice
Hence the priority food slots
Sorry but if you're following the shielding advice then it's not the same as the general population advice otherwise they wouldn't bother sending letters out, giving food boxes and asking about do not resuscitate options

[quote Vivi0]@studychick81, I think your post is triggering a lot of people who have received the vaccine and booked a holiday, so they are responding to your perceived criticism of them and not what you have actually posted.[/quote]
I think so too.

I have no problem with people booking holidays or people who need the vaccination having it before me. BUT I do have a problem with potentially not being able to have the same freedoms as them because I can't get the vaccination yet through no fault of my own. The younger generation have sacrificed a lot too, the working generation with young children have also sacrificed a lot too and now we might not get the same freedoms the older generation will get quicker, those people who we made these sacrifices for. These vaccination records shouldn't be made compulsory until everyone has the opportunity to get one.

Shielding rules was relaxed in the summer though weren't they QueenPaw?

Not for everyone no. I was advised still to shield as the risk was too high due to my white blood count

So I'm not wrong then am I?

A lot of my friends have acted incredibly cautious in terms of protecting themselves so no restaurants, holidays etc. But they are BAME & have seen healthy family members die. Not having a shielding letter doesn't mean you have been living a normal life.

I know some 50/60s are probably still working, I know there will be exceptions but generally 60 isn't working age.

OP you do know that normal retirement age is currently 67? The vast majority of 50/60s are absolutely still working! And many more above that age who have no pension and have to work?

Apart from the vaccines question, you may want to look at your pension if you think you'll be retired at 60.

No but what I'm saying is the general population can go to work (if they can't WFH), they can nip to the supermarket, Wilko, get pet food, go to the chemist etc
People who are following the shielding guidelines can't and lots of us didn't relax as consultants advised still to shield

Ok yes you can ignore the shielding letter but that's a different story, I'm saying if you are sticking to shielding then the guidelines for the general public and the CEV aren't the same

I wouldn't be too worried. They're hoping to have most adults vaccinated by summer - we're way ahead of most countries, so I doubt it will create many barriers or inequalities in reality for British adults wanting to travel abroad this year.

No but what I'm saying is the general population can go to work (if they can't WFH), they can nip to the supermarket, Wilko, get pet food, go to the chemist etc
People who are following the shielding guidelines can't and lots of us didn't relax as consultants advised still to shield

But what Im saying is just because you can go to the pet shop & Wilko lots of people haven't despite not being told to shield. Considering more have been added to the shielded list some had legitimate reasons to do so. Plus plenty have people have been ultra cautious because a family member is shielding despite not requiring to do so. Even if you did go to chemist it doesn't mean it hasn't been shit for many.

Everybody has different circumstances so competitive whinging over who's had it worse & who has found lockdown the hardest js not particularly productive.

Covid-19: PM promises review on issues of vaccine passports www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56169616

For those asking where the evidence for vaccination records is from. In it it mentions theatres, cinemas and concerts. It has got me worried.

I get that totally but my entire point was that the elderly have never had to shield, there was never a requirement to. So many people have been on and on about the elderly and locking down to protect them and working and tax paying etc while the people that are shielding and working age were forgotten about
It's been shit for everyone but people moaning that they did it to protect people sat at home knitting who don't have children while they get their vaccine first is untrue and that's the bit that's annoying
If that makes sense!
It's like people lump us all in together and don't see that the CEV also have children and work and aren't 70+

@OhWhyNot

Sorry I didn’t mean to upset you Vi having a young baby can be very isolating In normal times

I’m sorry

Aw, I really appreciate that.

I should know better than to take anything said on AIBU personally.

Thank you.

I despair a bit, really. We’ve come this far, and are getting closer to the point it will get better. It does feel like forever in some ways, i know. BUT, I think perspective is needed. So you might have to wait a bit longer to have a holiday abroad. Or attend a festival. None of these things are essential right now. You’ll manage without for another few months- even until next year. Not ideal, not what you’d like- sure. But honestly, we’ll all need to be big boys and girls and get on with it. The whining from some quarters about holidays etc is tiresome, and more than a little pathetic when you consider the wider context.

The reality is that many countries will not allow access to travellers who have not been vaccinated. And certain activities will not be available to those who have not been vaccinated. Having a vaccine certificate/passport or otherwise will make no odds either way- the UK not having one will not negate some countries/service providers or companies only allowing access to vaccinated individuals. It’s not about fairness, it’s about risk reduction. For good reason- lots of unvaccinated people travelling all over the world or getting together in larger numbers (e.g. a concert) or in certain conditions (e.g. on a flight) could cause an issue for the wider population due to rising infection rates before enough people are vaccinated to provide protection. It’s not just about protecting the most vulnerable- though the most important thing- it’s about reducing risks of new variants (cannot remove risk, only lessen). Fewer cases = reduced risk of new variants, which current vaccines may not protect against.

Fairness, in this case, is irrelevant. And difficult to gauge. How would you make it fair? Exempt younger people who have not had an opportunity to be vaccinated? A risky strategy. And not one you enforce out with the UK. Would you have vaccinated younger people, who are less at risk than older or clinically vulnerable people, first? I’d say that was unfair and immoral, as I don’t think a 30-something year old’s desire to have a beach holiday in Spain or a nice lunch with friends (for example) trumps an older persons health, or maybe even their life.

I think it is one of those times that you just have to accept that life is not “fair”- and that as a result you might have to wait a bit longer to do things you want to do, such as go on holiday, to a festival or concert etc.

@Tara336

Exactly this agree with everything here an utterly selfish attitude. I am embarrassed for her too.

@vivo The OP believes she should have the right to be allowed to go on holiday before us 'knitters' as otherwise, 'it's not fair' so she really means although unsaid that she should get the vaccine before those in real need enabling her to go abroad and we shouldn't because it's not fair' as we are now a bit useless once we hit 50.

I worked at age 16. I paid through my taxes as did all those in their 50's and sixties for her to go to school, doctors, hospitals. All of the public services she has enjoyed. Many of our generation never went abroad when young, earned low wages with far fewer rights than her generation has. Some things in life you just have to suck it up and quit whining. This is one. Make sure you have a good brolly as you will need it this summer.

These vaccination records shouldn't be made compulsory until everyone has the opportunity to get one.

Even if that meant more businesses going bust and more people losing their jobs?

Nobody seems to think about those who can't be vaccinated.

But the cards are just trackers for the vaccine batch and a reminder for the second dose.

They are not going to be taken as Id by anyone.

The plan is for everybody to be vaccinated before all restrictions are lifted. Anybody who had the Oxford AZ will get a booster in the autumn. The likelihood is that this be a annual thing.