To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

@AfterEightMint

The vaccination is one protective factor.

Tests might be good enough for some travel but they are quite expensive and an additional cost on your holiday.

OP, your post would have been ok without the ageism. I’m nearly 60. Have been working as a HCP, full-time (and more!), since I was 21. I will continue to work until I retire in about five / six years. Should I be waiting for my holiday until everyone can go? Is it unfair that I was vaccinated early because of my job?

Life is unfair but what I do know is that if vaccination enables the travel industry quicker than the combination of testing and quarantine then so be it.

No-one is depriving you of a holiday. There are holidays to be had in the UK. Your post reads as though you will be stopped from going out at all!

I ve apologised for the comments about working age. Was not well thought through.

With an attitude like the OP- older people will be hoping it's a long time before OP gets a vaccine!

Didn’t you get a card with your name, date of vaccination, batch number of vaccine and date of next appointment? Everyone I know did.

I didn't get a card with my vaccine. It's just an card to remind you of your next appointment and let you know which type of vaccine you had. Because I booked mine through an online system with work, they said the cards weren't necessary as we could check/rebook out next appointment on there.

The cards won't be used to prove you've had a vaccine; they'd be ridiculously easy to forge for a start.

I say let them enjoy themselves op.

Generally 60 is working age actually. The retirement age for most is 67 now!

Sorry didn't read the whole thread - posted as irritated by the comment re working age!

I don't think you are BU op. But you're never going to get the majority here inside.
I have zero issues with a vaccine certificate. I think it's highly likely that other countries will request proof of inoculation prior to travel. I have an issue with the fact that those who haven't yet had their vaccines, being penalised. My only hope, should vaccine certificates be in place, is that they will allow people who have only been offered (and received) their first vaccine to travel. But then, as a previous poster mentioned, my 16 year old daughter won't have had the vaccine, my two younger children certainly won't. What happens if EVERYONE in the travel party, regardless of age, has to be vaccinated to go on holiday? What also happens to those people who moved last years holidays over to this summer. If they haven't had their vaccine and therefore can't travel, will they be entitled to a refund? I think vaccine passports are only fair if everyone has been offered both doses.

@ClarkeGriffin

You don't desperately NEED to go abroad to have a holiday. You don't NEED to go anywhere. You can 'holiday' at home, or just stay in the UK. You want to go abroad, you don't need to.

Considering though that you think other working people don't deserve a holiday as much as you, I hope you lose your holiday. Maybe you'll then learn how to holiday at home and appreciate it. It's not difficult.

Going away for a holiday isn't a necessity, no. (am not going to say holidays as in having time off aren't needed because they absolutely are) but what about things like shopping , taking a bus or train to work, ditto to medical appointments or vet etc

The cards could be a start of a slippery slope where basic human rights just to survive are taken away from us. am not saying they are but they could be.

“ what about things like shopping”

Going shopping isn’t a necessity neither. What for some going cloth shopping might be a way to disconnect and have a good time for some of us travelling is a way of disconnecting. For me going to the pub isn’t a necessity ,,, yet I understand that some people want to go and that they should be opened soon. Same thing happens with travelling ... it’s a necessity and a getaway for our mental health.

[quote Blockedoff]@studychick81 so you want the airlines that have suffered so much and the holiday industry to wait until you are vaccinated and ready to go on holiday? You don't expect them to try and recoup some money, get their staff back into paid employment, open up airports and all the jobs that brings.

Have you always been so absolutely selfish? No one can do it, if I can't.

Stamp your feet it's not fair!

I'm suffering so everyone should.

Give your head a wobble.

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But those same airlines are likely to suffer a great deal if those thousands of families, who would normally go abroad during the summer holidays (and not just all inclusive holidays to Spain ), are unable to travel as they won't be fully vaccinated.

@Hahaha88

I agree that the younger and fitter have given up a lot, mostly in the name of the older and less fit. But it is what it is, as a community we should do what we need to protect others even though its crap

They could have done things a lot differently, for example get the old to isolate, and the young carry on.

We actually need a functioning economy to support the NHS.

I think a lot of young people will now have their life possiblities limited (unable to get a career, debt, time at university ruined etc.) due to the pandemic

60 not a working age? Gardening and knitting?
Worked throughout all three lockdown whilst supporting kids with college work, four elderly parents and a shielding husband. No issue with getting a vaccination card as and when they get round to us. Your choice to get one, their choice to let you in.

Get a grip op, even if we do need a vaccine passport to get our lives back,its no hardship really is it? Whats a few extra months between getting vaccinated and going to the pub or on holiday? There were many thousands of people world wide who wanted to live a long a joyful life that has been permanently robbed from them thanks to covid. Be thankful you are still around to make plans. Be thankful you still have your parents around making plans

Be thankful you are still around to make plans. Be thankful you still have your parents around making plans

Basically you can't complain unless you're dead. And if you're dead & complain at least you're a ghost so think of the dead who can't be ghosts.
Common theme during the pandemic.

@Vivi0 @studychick81

Yes, I am hugely entitled I don't know in which direction to look for my 'riches'. A seriously unwell daughter who I have not been able to hold her hand for a year, My cancer amongst other conditions which means I fall into priority group 6 and it seems I should be shoved aside so the fit and well get theirs first? because they 'need' a holiday ' because all people in their 60's are knitting all day. A holiday is just a holiday. seeing family is another issue I agree but my other daughter lives abroad so I won't see her too. I am pleased for those whose biggest problems is they can't go on holiday. CEO? - no I work for a small charity and often work long and unpaid hours for the benefit of vulnerable service users. Holidays are a first world problem at this time. Look around you to see how others have been living this last year and check your privilege.

seems I should be shoved aside so the fit and well get theirs first? because they 'need' a holiday '

did you actually read the OP?

@Crankycranium0

Get a grip op, even if we do need a vaccine passport to get our lives back,its no hardship really is it? Whats a few extra months between getting vaccinated and going to the pub or on holiday? There were many thousands of people world wide who wanted to live a long a joyful life that has been permanently robbed from them thanks to covid. Be thankful you are still around to make plans. Be thankful you still have your parents around making plans

If you are restricted to only going away during the school holidays and have another 6 weeks of summer holidays with young children to fill a few months makes a big difference actually. The European/ nearer holiday destinations are often too cold to holiday at in October or December holidays so there goes a cheaper holiday or any holiday if trips further afield become unaffordable.

Look around you to see how others have been living this last year and check your privilege.

Yeah, the problem with that is you need to check yours as well.

60 isn't working age? Really?
You sound completely oblivious to any demographic that isn't your own.

I agree with you OP.

I’m early 20s and think my generation have been hit particularly hard over the past year, ridiculous that we could be ostracised from society because we’re at the back of the queue for the vaccine. We’re the least vulnerable and if the majority of society has been vaccinated, there’s less chance of the virus spreading and affecting vulnerable people regardless - so why lock up the young for longer?

Vaccinated or not if people are booking foreign holidays thinking there won’t be any problems I think they’re deluded. What if that country brings in mandatory quarantine hotels, or the destination is added to the red list and you have to pay thousands to quarantine on the way back? You can test positive for covid even if you’ve been vaccinated. Vaccinations don’t stop all infections. What’s the situation with travel insurance? Do they still not cover covid? What if you can’t fly because you’ve got it or you need medical treatment abroad? No EHIC anymore so you’d have to pay the full amount..

[quote andisaidgo]**@Vivi0* @studychick81*

Yes, I am hugely entitled I don't know in which direction to look for my 'riches'. A seriously unwell daughter who I have not been able to hold her hand for a year, My cancer amongst other conditions which means I fall into priority group 6 and it seems I should be shoved aside so the fit and well get theirs first? because they 'need' a holiday ' because all people in their 60's are knitting all day. A holiday is just a holiday. seeing family is another issue I agree but my other daughter lives abroad so I won't see her too. I am pleased for those whose biggest problems is they can't go on holiday. CEO? - no I work for a small charity and often work long and unpaid hours for the benefit of vulnerable service users. Holidays are a first world problem at this time. Look around you to see how others have been living this last year and check your privilege.[/quote]
I said you seem entitled because you told the OP that I have paid more taxes than you. I’m not sure what that has got to do with anything, but you obviously feel that makes you more deserving than the OP.

I’m not sure where anyone has said that you “should be shoved aside so the fit and well get theirs first.”?

There isn’t going to be much travelling until the majority of people are vaccinated

We won’t be travelling freely without restrictions for some time yet

So you won’t miss out

I’m actually a bit embarrassed for you. You think only certain age groups have made sacrifices? Im in my 50s im chronically ill and have worked my backside off for the last year with my partner to keep our business going, so our employees have a job to come back too and we have succeeded! But because it’s “not fair” you want everyone else to sacrifice a well earned rest until you have the opportunity too book a holiday (which no one by the way is actually stopping you from doing).

Pathetic me me me attitude! J

I agree with you OP.

I have been “locked up” for almost 2 years (my son was born at the beginning of the first lockdown but I had been unable to leave my bed for the preceding 9 months due to debilitating HG).

I am still breastfeeding so don’t think I will be able to get the vaccine.

So where does that leave me? Locked up and ostracised from society indefinitely due to a virus that is statistically of no real threat to me?