To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

[studychick81]

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

And if my young adult DCs could go on holiday and I couldn't yet, I would be beyond pleased for them

You don't desperately NEED to go abroad to have a holiday. You don't NEED to go anywhere. You can 'holiday' at home, or just stay in the UK. You want to go abroad, you don't need to.

By that logic no one needs one regardless of age.

We'll all be done by July. It's not such a big deal IMO

What about young people who have parents/families in other countries, should they suck it up too?

I think vaccine passports for domestic stuff are unlikely overall but are actually more likely after all adults have been offered their first dose (with passports also for those medically unable to have a jab) if the take up amongst all adults isn’t high enough to suppress the virus.

From a public health perspective (and without taking a position) it’s a logical bridge between ‘vaccination isn’t compulsory’ and ‘vaccine levels aren’t high enough to fully reopen society’ - should all suffer for it, or only those who have made the choice not to have the vaccine?

Not a straightforward one to me.

So all the talk of some people being able to have a summer holidays but not others is speculation and, as evidenced on this thread, quite divisive

Totally agree. It just pits one age group against another against another.

It's horrible. I'm not swanning off anywhere, I want everyone to be able to have the possibility of going away or whatever floats their boat. Just because I'm older doesn't mean I'm a selfish arse.

What about young people who have parents/families in other countries, should they suck it up too?

We have been for a while TBH. Likely to be 2022 before I can see mine again. It’s grim, but it is what it is. My own country won’t let me in until they’ve finished the vaccination programme.

@studychick81

You think, it's not a definite. So in the meantime we are in limbo about whether to book or not.

It’s not dependent on our government. If you want to go to Spain, it will be the Spanish government that determines whether or not you have to provide proof of vaccination.

@ClarkeGriffin

You don't desperately NEED to go abroad to have a holiday. You don't NEED to go anywhere. You can 'holiday' at home, or just stay in the UK. You want to go abroad, you don't need to.

Considering though that you think other working people don't deserve a holiday as much as you, I hope you lose your holiday. Maybe you'll then learn how to holiday at home and appreciate it. It's not difficult.

You have absolutely no idea what other people need, you don't know what their mental health is like of the mental and emotional impact on their dcs having so much time off school. You don't know if that persons family is abroad so it's the only way of seeing them. Maybe I do really need a holiday. Stay at home! That's funny, that saying sounds very familiar? Where have I heard that for the last year? I don't want to stay at home to holiday, I have been at home for a year! I wasn't one of those who jetted off on holiday at the first opportunity last summer, we were cautious- bloody wish I had done though.

No ones going to have a miserable summer. It'll be totally not workable to have them used in the U.K. for things like pubs and concerts until everyone is done - when the tipping point has been reached and enough people done then it becomes less and less if an issue.

International travel maybe. We'll barely be able to fly by then.

My DH will likely see his parents soon as he will get the vaccine shortly. His younger siblings have to wait. I can recognise the unfairness in that.

@spanieleyes

I wouldn't mind if my dad could go on holiday whilst I had to wait a few more months. But there's not much chance of that, given he died of Covid last September.

So sorry for your loss @spanieleyes

OP I agree 100%

I don't think they will actually do any of it though as there will be uproar. As PP have said being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't pass it on.

I've booked to go away end of June.

I hate the argument of older people having less time to make up for their missed year. Everyone has a number of years they'll live for and everyone has lost the same amount of time. Older people had more opportunities (more years) to have experiences pre-Covid, younger people have more years post-Covid. If anything, children have lost the most, as they have lost years of childhood they will never be able to experience at another time.

It would be unfair to penalise someone based on age, but I think that is very unlikely to be the case, given the announcement that England will be coming out of lockdown as a whole country

As PP have said being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't pass it on.

It almost certainly makes it significantly less likely, however.

I actually agree.

I think vaccine passports (or restrictions on non-vaccinated people attending places) shouldn't be introduced until after July when the government has fully rolled out the vaccination program to all eligible people.

Having half the population out and about and the other half still unable to live a normal life (despite being at low risk of real significant illness if we did catch it) will cause no end of issues. Arguably, it's not in the interest of the venues to insist this either, given that for pubs for example, the younger generations will be their main customers overall.

Foreign travel I'm less concerned with and can see why it would be in place. Personally I don't think foreign travel should be reinstated until after vaccination of all adults though (for holidays etc) otherwise we're risking the vaccination program.

People will be off having fun, whilst we are stuck in unable to do anything as we don't have the vaccination record. It will be like being in lockdown all summer

Just like the elderly and vulnerable have been stuck in all year, whilst the younger population have insisted, “Everything should be opened up. The death rate is only 5%. It doesn’t affect me or mine so I’m alright Jack. Why should we give up everything for the oldies? If you’re elderly or vulnerable stay in” you mean??

Besides what makes you think 60 year olds have nothing better to do than knitting or gardening? Most 60 year olds I know are still working! They deserve a life outside of work too you know.

@studychick81

I said this "but generally 60 isn't working age" not 50s.

On the bbc news tonight I actually saw a care home owner and a CEO of a plumbing company saying they are going to insist all new employees have the vaccination or they can't work. It then went on to say that airlines are seriously discussing needing a vaccination card to travel. A negative COVID test- yes fair enough. A vaccination card- no, not fair.

You included people in their 50s in your nasty ageism.

The economy needs to get back on its feet. Travel and tourism needs to get back on its feet. If that means vaccination cards then so be it. They need to introduce them as soon as possible to save people’s jobs.

OP, why not book a holiday in the UK this year?

No decision has been made. A committee has only just been convened and it will be consulting for a while.

@AfterEightMint

The economy needs to get back on its feet. Travel and tourism needs to get back on its feet. If that means vaccination cards then so be it. They need to introduce them as soon as possible to save people’s jobs.

OP, why not book a holiday in the UK this year?

Our of interest, have you had your vaccination?

@AfterEightMint

The economy needs to get back on its feet. Travel and tourism needs to get back on its feet. If that means vaccination cards then so be it. They need to introduce them as soon as possible to save people’s jobs.

OP, why not book a holiday in the UK this year?

I agree.

If vaccination cards are needed then the best thing possible is for those who have them to visit the places that require them and spend money there. Otherwise they might not be there for when everyone is fully vaccinated.

People will be off having fun, whilst we are stuck in unable to do anything as we don't have the vaccination record. It will be like being in lockdown all summer

Anyone remember a year ago when MN was full of “My DM is 74 and she won’t stay at home. Why won’t she just do as she’s told?”

I am 60 this week and still work full time as I have done most of my life and I have a young adult daughter in the hospital who I have not seen for nearly a year. Many people I know are still working full time in this age group.

Oh and whilst we're at it. I have paid more taxes than you. I got my first jab last week and feel very entitled to it. Your holiday can wait there are more important things to think about at the present time. .

@AfterEightMint

The economy needs to get back on its feet. Travel and tourism needs to get back on its feet. If that means vaccination cards then so be it. They need to introduce them as soon as possible to save people’s jobs.

OP, why not book a holiday in the UK this year?

Travel and tourist industries can get back on their feet without vaccination passports. I am more than happy to get a negative covid test to go abroad. That should be the criteria- not the vaccination. Plus, people who have been vaccinated can still get it anyway so a negative COVID test is the only way to true my know.