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Original poster

To think that vaccination cards are very unfair.

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studychick81 · 23/02/2021 18:22

I can see why they are needed but I think it's very unfair how they are going to be used. I am 39 and have no health issues. I am not sure when I will get the vaccination as I ve read they haven't even decided groups beyond group 9. So, that means it could be ages before I get any normality back in my life like going to restaurants, pubs, concerts and holidays. I am unsure if I should book a holiday in August as I don't know if I will be vaccinated by then.

I am feel quite cross about this and my parents and friends parents (70+) are booking holidays and cruises etc and will get their lives back so much quicker than I will. Yet IMO my age group and below are the ones that have probably made the greatest sacrifices, juggling home schooling, work and studying, financial worries. Everyone I know in the 60+ category have spent their days gardening, knitting and being bored but with little stress and sacrifice, yet they will be the first to get their lives back.

Not only it is likely my age group and below will feel the lasting effects most from this and will likely pay the most for this with tax increases etc, we will be the last to get the benefits of coming out of lockdown. I don't think they should insist on vaccination cards until everyone is vaccinated.

OP posts:
Roominmyhouse · 23/02/2021 20:32

I’m in my late 30’s like the OP. I’d be more than happy for my parents who are in their 70’s to get a holiday this year even if I can’t get one. I’d be jealous but I would begrudge them at all.

But all this is based on media chit chat and nothing has actually been decided so until it is, I won’t be worrying.

dragonsmoke · 23/02/2021 20:32

Younger people who are not given the equal opportunity for international travel are being discriminated against. It’s as simple as that.

Oh FFS, if it's that's simple find someone to sue.

Roussette · 23/02/2021 20:32

Younger people who are not given the equal opportunity for international travel are being discriminated against. It’s as simple as that

No.

  1. Travel is not happening yet.
  2. Vacc passports are not happening either, and if they are, by the time it's organised all adults will have been vaccinated.

Why are some posters getting so worked up about something that hasn't happened

Maryann1975 · 23/02/2021 20:33

I agree @DeeCeeCherry
I’ve been vaccinated due to my job, (So it doesn’t matter one way or the other to me), but the majority of people my age have not been vaccinated yet. We are repeatedly being told we will retire far later than our parents and there will probably be very little/no state pension when we get there. I imagine we will be paying the Covid debt for years to come. As a generation we have struggled to home school and work At the same time for the best part of a year. I know several people who have been furloughed and financially struggling on 80% pay, one who has been laid off and within a couple of months will Likely be forced to sell her house as her savings will be completely gone.

My parents have had a far easier time the past year (I appreciate isn’t true for all, but it is true for all my friends parents and the retired neighbours we have).
So, yes, I do believe the rules should be the same for everyone. I should not be able to go on holiday abroad until all adults have been vaccinated. (And believe me, I would love to be sitting on a sunbed, with a cocktail somewhere hot and sunny right now)

Original poster
studychick81 · 23/02/2021 20:33

The younger generation have the least to fear from covid but on this proposal would be locked down the longest. That is a glaring unfairness. I’ve already said it might be unavoidable if it’s the way to get certain industries open ASAP, but I can totally see why OP would be pissed off.

Exactly my point, put much better than me. Thanks.

OP posts:
VinylDetective · 23/02/2021 20:34

for those who refuse the vaccine, how can their movement be lawfully restricted by the Government if there is no emergency or pandemic?

It wouldn’t be our government restricting them, it would be another government refusing them entry.

Womencanlift · 23/02/2021 20:34

OP - You are acting like it is years away until everyone gets vaccinated. Hmm

It’s only going to be a few months at the rate they are going.

gigity · 23/02/2021 20:35

I work in domestic tourism and pretty much all our employees are 40+!

You can look up statistics if you have difficulty separating anecdotal evidence.

Thehawki · 23/02/2021 20:35

I think vaccination cards for going abroad after June/July (or when majority is vaccinated) is probably the best way to go here? I think we should slowly lift restrictions in the uk for all and keep it free of internal vaccination cards at this stage for sure. As long as most people take the vaccination then it shouldn’t matter if one individual is unvaccinated anyway. It would probably only be needed for all of two months anyway and surely if all vulnerable and old are vaccinated then we don’t need to social distance as this was about not overwhelming NHS.

Roussette · 23/02/2021 20:36

I've said that repeatedly on here. I think the OP said she was 39. I think she will be vaccinated by end May

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studychick81 · 23/02/2021 20:36

@Womencanlift

OP - You are acting like it is years away until everyone gets vaccinated. Hmm

It’s only going to be a few months at the rate they are going.

Yes, but if it's not before the summer holidays it's absolutely useless to many and means a miserable summer with not being able to do anything much, depending on how far they go with these vaccination cards.
OP posts:
gigity · 23/02/2021 20:37

I think she will be vaccinated by end May

Key word is think

Roussette · 23/02/2021 20:37

But you are 39, It will be before the summer holidays

gigity · 23/02/2021 20:37

and what about people younger?

Roussette · 23/02/2021 20:38

gigity As I explained above, one of my DCs is part of the Novavax trail, and that is about to come on board and will speed things up, and an email she had today made her think she would be getting it by June and she is 10 years younger than OP

intheenddoesitreallymatter · 23/02/2021 20:38

@dragonsmoke

Younger people who are not given the equal opportunity for international travel are being discriminated against. It’s as simple as that.

Oh FFS, if it's that's simple find someone to sue.

No thank you, I’ll look to the government for some level of rationality to realise how ridiculous it would be to attempt to enforce a vaccine passport before everyone has been offered the opportunity to vaccinate.

It is also that simple, hence why so many ageism cases are taken to court. How is it not discrimination?

Roussette · 23/02/2021 20:39

When i say 'getting the vaccine', she might have had it, or the placebo, she won't be unblinded yet

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studychick81 · 23/02/2021 20:39

@Thehawki

I think vaccination cards for going abroad after June/July (or when majority is vaccinated) is probably the best way to go here? I think we should slowly lift restrictions in the uk for all and keep it free of internal vaccination cards at this stage for sure. As long as most people take the vaccination then it shouldn’t matter if one individual is unvaccinated anyway. It would probably only be needed for all of two months anyway and surely if all vulnerable and old are vaccinated then we don’t need to social distance as this was about not overwhelming NHS.
Well I don't think it is a good idea for the very reasons I have already said. It is completely unfair and discriminatory against those unable to get the vaccination yet through no fault of their own. Simply because of their age. There would be an uproar if this was the other way round and I sincerely hope there is an uproar with the younger generation if this is the case.
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intheenddoesitreallymatter · 23/02/2021 20:40

@Roussette

Younger people who are not given the equal opportunity for international travel are being discriminated against. It’s as simple as that

No.

  1. Travel is not happening yet.
  2. Vacc passports are not happening either, and if they are, by the time it's organised all adults will have been vaccinated.

Why are some posters getting so worked up about something that hasn't happened

I’m fully aware and extremely grateful!

It just pisses me off how ageism is bandied about on every thread and how when it’s reversed nobody wants to hear.

Double standards!

ClarkeGriffin · 23/02/2021 20:41

You don't desperately NEED to go abroad to have a holiday. You don't NEED to go anywhere. You can 'holiday' at home, or just stay in the UK. You want to go abroad, you don't need to.

Considering though that you think other working people don't deserve a holiday as much as you, I hope you lose your holiday. Maybe you'll then learn how to holiday at home and appreciate it. It's not difficult.

spanieleyes · 23/02/2021 20:41

I wouldn't mind if my dad could go on holiday whilst I had to wait a few more months. But there's not much chance of that, given he died of Covid last September.

Roussette · 23/02/2021 20:41

OP you dont comment on anyone who says it might well be a case of 2 or 3 months for you to wait.
Why get so worked up about something that hasn't and probably won't happen?

gigity · 23/02/2021 20:41

As I explained above, one of my DCs is part of the Novavax trail, and that is about to come on board and will speed things up, and an email she had today made her think she would be getting it by June and she is 10 years younger than OP

That's not a guarantee though is it?

Original poster
studychick81 · 23/02/2021 20:42

You think, it's not a definite. So in the meantime we are in limbo about whether to book or not.

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Blueroses99 · 23/02/2021 20:42

@Roussette

Younger people who are not given the equal opportunity for international travel are being discriminated against. It’s as simple as that

No.

  1. Travel is not happening yet.
  2. Vacc passports are not happening either, and if they are, by the time it's organised all adults will have been vaccinated.

Why are some posters getting so worked up about something that hasn't happened

This ^^

Plans are being considered, we don’t know what they will end up looking like or when they would take effect. So all the talk of some people being able to have a summer holidays but not others is speculation and, as evidenced on this thread, quite divisive.

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