Aibu to think that serving potatoes at all with salmon en croute is just unnecessary carbohydrates

[halvedfees]

Further to the thread on boiled potatoes, from what I could glean not one person pointed out that you are serving carbohydrates with what should be already an ample portion of carbohydrates in the pastry. We have salmon en croute with extra green veg to fill everyone up. Is it just me or do people not get what a healthy portion (especially carbohydrates) actually is? Don't get me started on garlic bread being served with pasta.......🤬

Sandwich and crisps! Yum
I always eat garlic bread with another carb super yum !

@Cheator, i lift, so do my DD's. Protein is better for muscle repair and getting your energy from protein is better. We don't weigh eight stone, I've never met a female weight lifter who does. Likewise female boxers etc are a size 6/8 but at least nine stone. Carbs are useful for calories. When my DD is in full training, weights and Muay Thai she can eat 3000 calories a day. But they aren't the best for muscle repair.

Anyway just a thought @TheOrigRights, how to you have Christmas Dinner or a special beef roast without multiple carbs? I'm from the land of Scouse, which has to be eaten with pickled beetroot/cabbage and crusty bread. How can you avoid multiple carbs?

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@oldwhyno

Because of the level of exercise I do, I really need a high carb intake to absorb the booze.

@blacksax

I'm having leek and potato soup at lunchtime. With a bread roll.

So there.

(And no, the population as a whole isn't overweight because they have a couple of new potatoes with their salmon en croute. It's because they stuff their faces with buckets of popcorn, gallons of fizzy drink, umpteen chocolate bars and family bags of Doritos as a snack, while sitting on their arses all day).

Guilty as charged!

Maybe some ideas for Monty Python to update the Four Yorkshiremen, We used to dreeeaaam of carbs and carbs!

@PurpleDaisies

Obviously it is OK as an occasional meal, or if you have no problem controlling your weight, but as a regular thing? Do we not need to start questioning things like this, if we are to have any hope of saving the NHS in the longer term?

Who said anything about this being a regular meal? Or that the people eating it are overweight or obese?
No portion sizes are given either.

You’ve just assumed double carbs means massive fatties.

No I don't assume that. But given that at least 40% of the adult population is overweight .... I don't apologise for questioning accepted diet norms. We need to do something in order to save the NHS in the longer term. That is a given.

Saw this yesterday on insta, today I am seeing this thread... no wonder there is widespread confusion and stress about ‘good’ and ‘bad’ foods! Luckily I am seeing a sensible dietician so have learnt what is the best approach for me. But all this chat ain’t helpful!

I don't apologise for questioning accepted diet norms.

You think most people are normally eating salmon en croute for dinner?

Op my ancestors ate a lot of carbs (and lard.) And they were not fat. (Except from the photos the middle age cooks who were in the kitchen all day snacking I presume.)

Weren't UK calorie intakes higher in the past?

It's a matching activity level that loads of us miss now (me included.) Plus consuming too much weird non-filling foodstuffs like fizzy drinks and packets of snack foods.

It's not double carbs at dinner imo.

Wow so many responses on this. I love carbs. I love potatoes and I particularly love chips.

I don't particularly like pastry, so if I were served salmon en croute I would probably take the fish out, leave the pastry and eat the potatoes, however they were done.

[quote Ponoka7]@Cheator, i lift, so do my DD's. Protein is better for muscle repair and getting your energy from protein is better. We don't weigh eight stone, I've never met a female weight lifter who does. Likewise female boxers etc are a size 6/8 but at least nine stone. Carbs are useful for calories. When my DD is in full training, weights and Muay Thai she can eat 3000 calories a day. But they aren't the best for muscle repair.

Anyway just a thought @TheOrigRights, how to you have Christmas Dinner or a special beef roast without multiple carbs? I'm from the land of Scouse, which has to be eaten with pickled beetroot/cabbage and crusty bread. How can you avoid multiple carbs?[/quote]
I'm only 5ft 2 and was 7st 10 before I started lifting weights so have gained a fair amount (hopefully muscle). I eat 1g of protein per lb of weight or thereabouts but try to have something carby after a session. My PT explained why but I have forgotten the science. Something about getting stuff into the muscle I think?

I always thought carbs were the devil but since lifting weights (I'm pretty new at it) I have found I need the energy.

Sandwich and crisps.
Curry and rice/chips/naan.
Lasagne and chips.

Totally normal

No I don't assume that. But given that at least 40% of the adult population is overweight .... I don't apologise for questioning accepted diet norms. We need to do something in order to save the NHS in the longer term. That is a given.

But do you not recognise that a pie or en croute eaten with potatoes would mean a smaller portion of the main eaten, which is fatty pastry and creamy sauce along with the protein. This could be done for variety or for financial reasons but the end fullness is probably achieved after a similar amount of calories

FFS, not everyone is trying to lose weight and/or reduce carbs. It's possible to have a few potatoes with your quiche or whatever without becoming obese.

If I had a salmon en croute with just some greens it wouldn't fill me up. Better to add some potatoes to the meal than start snacking on biscuits a couple of hours later.

You'll never take my carbs

@halvedfees

Wow! Sorry have been working. So not a judge and run thread. I am not joyless as somebody put it. I am a front-line health care professional who sees and deals with the consequences of a poor diet on a daily basis. I was surprised with the UK having the highest obesity in Western Europe, the effect of covid on obese people etc etc that no-one seemed to mention it.

Obviously it is OK as an occasional meal, or if you have no problem controlling your weight, but as a regular thing? Do we not need to start questioning things like this, if we are to have any hope of saving the NHS in the longer term?

Probably will get flamed again for daring to question what is perceived as normal

Why are you assuming that it's a regular thing? Or that people who eat double carbs are all obese?

Lots of generalisations right there ...

But given that at least 40% of the adult population is overweight .... I don't apologise for questioning accepted diet norms

They're not fat because they eat pastry and potatoes at the same meal, they're fat because they drive everywhere and eat too much cake/chocolate/biscuits/sweets and/or takeaways/ready meals with too much fat, sugar and salt.

@halvedfees

Wow! Sorry have been working. So not a judge and run thread. I am not joyless as somebody put it. I am a front-line health care professional who sees and deals with the consequences of a poor diet on a daily basis. I was surprised with the UK having the highest obesity in Western Europe, the effect of covid on obese people etc etc that no-one seemed to mention it.

Obviously it is OK as an occasional meal, or if you have no problem controlling your weight, but as a regular thing? Do we not need to start questioning things like this, if we are to have any hope of saving the NHS in the longer term?

Probably will get flamed again for daring to question what is perceived as normal

Carbs (and double carbs) are a religion in the UK

Dare to mention that they end up making you sick and the vitriol is real.

It's like people are addicted or something?!?

@AprilThe8th

Sandwich and crisps. Curry and rice/chips/naan. Lasagne and chips.

Totally normal

Yes, yummy. Chip or crisp butties. You can take the girl out of the North...

Although when I was school one of my friends got a baked potato and chips in the school canteen. I'd draw the line there I think

@HobnobbingAboutHobnobs

Some people would have been shocked at the dinner DH served up last night - stew with dumplings, mash AND Yorkshire pudding! 🤯

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Pie and mash?
Chip butty?

You better get in touch with Boris, he loves slogans like this. His new mantra can be, Avoid potatoes, save the NHS.

I'm not sure I could do it to be honest.

Unnecessary carbs? Is that one of those fictional things like leftover wine?