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Sister’s Wedding

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AKAotherwise · 23/02/2021 02:49

My sister has chosen her late father’s brother to walk her down the aisle and not our dad who has brought her up since she was 3.

Her dad had addictions and died and she had only sporadic contact with his family. The uncle would turn up at Christmas and birthdays sent by the grandparents who were too upset to see her on these occasions.
She and my dad have got on but she always introduced him as ‘step’.
When she went to university there was an inheritance that was in the uncle’s name so he is clearly a moral person.
My parents and I are so upset and i just don’t want to go. It’s up to her though isn’t it? I can’t sleep I am so upset. Her other half-sister will also be a bridesmaid but I think we should be closer because of our mum and growing up together. Her cousin will be as well but not my dad’s cousin.
Would you be happy?

OP posts:
andweallsingalong · 27/02/2021 14:18

I think the update makes it easier to understand your feelings, but I don't think it's that clear cut.

No one but your sister knows for sure, but from what you've said I don't think that there's anything to say she didn't feel exactly how you thought she felt growing up or that she didn't adore your dad.

BUT unless you've been there it's impossible to understand the huge gaping longing to fill the gap left by a missing parent that doesn't go away no matter how amazing everyone else in your life is and I think that's what she's trying to ease by having her uncle as a way to feel loved and supported by her dad. She doesn't have that same need from your dad, she has him in her life.

My dad died when I was a tiny baby. The logical side of me has always said I didn't know him, never had him in my life so don't miss him. Always hated and rejected the poor you'd from adults as a kid.

But.... deep down I've always felt an intense connection to him so much so that I'd never call anyone else Dad and genuinely devastated to find out at 11yo that we'd never actually met, then again at 30 to realise that the he's probably not the guy I always thought he was.

I can't imagine how much harder it must be for her to have an addict who died before he could come through for her.

MartiniDry · 27/02/2021 14:42

I can give you only two pieces of advice.

Keep your beak out, and count your blessings.

JustLyra · 27/02/2021 14:42

Weddings can be very sensitive, emotive occasions for some people.

Yet nothing in the OP’s posts suggest she’s considered that from her sisters position. Just her own and her parents

billy1966 · 27/02/2021 15:01

I think her posting on MN has given her differing views from different angles.

Hopefully it will help her.

StillCoughingandLaughing · 27/02/2021 15:30

Just because she tells them "I don't accept I upset and hurt you, get over it" changes nothing. People feel how they feel.

I see ‘I can’t help how I feel’ used on MN a lot as a seemingly argument-ending comment. It also seems to translate to ‘I can’t control how I react’ for a lot of people. The OP and her parents may not be able to help feeling upset, but they can choose not to make it all about them. They can choose to see the wedding as a happy occasion for this person they’re all supposed to love and be glad she has someone she wants to spend the rest of her life with. Instead they’re choosing to grudgingly go and ‘paint on a smile’ like they’ve done her a favour.

Presumably the bride can’t help how she feels either? She feels her father’s family should play a part - yet she’s expected to control how she reacts to the point that she sacrifices her own wishes to please her stepdad. She presumably couldn’t help that she didn’t feel close enough to him to call him dad - but the OP seems to expect her to change that to avoid upsetting others.

BigRedDuck · 27/02/2021 16:57

OP I was in almost precisely the same situation as your sister. The only difference was that I didn't have another close relative to give me away on my father's side so asked my mum to give me away instead.

You have to understand that your family experience will be completely different from the experience your sister has had. I have a father and a step dad. My stepdad brought me up from the age of 4. Now of course, my experience is personal to me, but knowing my father could not choose myself over alcohol comes with a world of pain and far reaching consequences. My step dad was and is OK, i love him but I am not biologically his child. I have never called him dad, nor ever really felt like it. I have two half siblings (real siblings, it that is what you want to call it) that I adore and they are very involved in my life.

That does not take away the pain that a man who pro created with my mother could not be in my life for a whole myriad of alcohol related reasons. It does not take away the pain that he didn't want to know. It does not take away the very slight jealousy that my siblings were able to live with their biological father and have all their questions answered. It does not take away the pain that I have a "history" per se, that I will not ever know about.

You say her uncle gave her money to go uni-that says to me that he wanted to maintain a relationship with his niece despite his brother not being able too. Again, this is only my personal feelings, but "daddy issues" kick in here and in this situation my uncle would be extremely important here, as the last link to my "biological" family.

Its interesting seeing the other side of this and I really hope that my siblings did not feel that I was dismissing my stepfather. It was most certainly not intended that way. But my mother had been with me since day 1 and for me, it was important to recognise that.

Also, it was our wedding day and the only thing we cared about was getting married and having a fucking great big party afterwards. If people wanted to join us, they could and could celebrate however they wanted us. If they didn't want to come, that was up to them. I had a great day regardless! It truly was one of the best days I've ever had in my life.
My relationship with my stepdad has only improved since. In fact I get on with him better than my mother now😂

BigRedDuck · 27/02/2021 17:01

P.S. go to her wedding. Please put aside your feelings about this and be there for her. You are her sister and she loves you. Try to support her. Weddings can be a painful subject if you haven't had a typical nuclear family upbringing. Hell, even then things can be difficult!

billy1966 · 27/02/2021 17:20

@BigRedDuck

OP I was in almost precisely the same situation as your sister. The only difference was that I didn't have another close relative to give me away on my father's side so asked my mum to give me away instead.

You have to understand that your family experience will be completely different from the experience your sister has had. I have a father and a step dad. My stepdad brought me up from the age of 4. Now of course, my experience is personal to me, but knowing my father could not choose myself over alcohol comes with a world of pain and far reaching consequences. My step dad was and is OK, i love him but I am not biologically his child. I have never called him dad, nor ever really felt like it. I have two half siblings (real siblings, it that is what you want to call it) that I adore and they are very involved in my life.

That does not take away the pain that a man who pro created with my mother could not be in my life for a whole myriad of alcohol related reasons. It does not take away the pain that he didn't want to know. It does not take away the very slight jealousy that my siblings were able to live with their biological father and have all their questions answered. It does not take away the pain that I have a "history" per se, that I will not ever know about.

You say her uncle gave her money to go uni-that says to me that he wanted to maintain a relationship with his niece despite his brother not being able too. Again, this is only my personal feelings, but "daddy issues" kick in here and in this situation my uncle would be extremely important here, as the last link to my "biological" family.

Its interesting seeing the other side of this and I really hope that my siblings did not feel that I was dismissing my stepfather. It was most certainly not intended that way. But my mother had been with me since day 1 and for me, it was important to recognise that.

Also, it was our wedding day and the only thing we cared about was getting married and having a fucking great big party afterwards. If people wanted to join us, they could and could celebrate however they wanted us. If they didn't want to come, that was up to them. I had a great day regardless! It truly was one of the best days I've ever had in my life.
My relationship with my stepdad has only improved since. In fact I get on with him better than my mother now😂

Great post.
jacks11 · 27/02/2021 17:23

I have family who had a similar situation and handled it as you are suggesting- in their case it has not led to a happy outcome for anyone. It’s quite tragic, really. I apologise for the length of this post in advance. But I’ve seen the damage caused by presuming a parent or step-parent understands the feelings of their child, and has a right to demand that others put their feelings aside.

In that case, the father had been pretty useless as a father and a terrible partner. He suffered a significant brain injury due to his lifestyle (mother had left by then), but prior to that had been very in and out of their child’s life so not reliable, not a good parent and not providing financial support. His family tried to a degree but could certainly have done better- his mother in particular tried to defend him and probably enabled him more than anything. So, not a happy situation. And whilst their daughter did not “lose” her father in the sense that he died, to all intents and purposes, she did lose her father. Very sad situation all round, I know the mother suffered too.

Mother met, and subsequently married, another man- daughter a bit older but not at school- and they have 2 more children together. Eldest’s father became ill when she was about 5, but presence in her life very sporadic before this.

I know the step-father well. He really is a nice man, he has been a good step-father (something his step-daughter has said and never disputed otherwise). The mother is also a nice woman, and I do believe loves and cares for all her children. I think the children are also nice people. As far as I know all children have been well-treated by step-fathers family. But he has always been known as her step-father, she has always referred to him as such. She has always been a step-daughter to him. I think they were fond of each other- certainly appeared that way- and seemed to have a cordial relationship after she left home. So nobody is awful or a monster in this situation. Relationships were not especially frought or difficult. But it still ended in a total mess because certain family members felt that their feelings/view of relationships and sense of duty/loyalty outweighed the feelings and views of the young woman getting married.

When eldest daughter got married she chose her paternal grandfather to walk her down the aisle. They had a relationship which did not seem overly close to her mother, but was very important to her. And I think her mum underestimated how important it was- because she just didn’t understand the bond that her daughter felt and judged how close they were based on childhood contact/her own feelings about her ex-partner and his family (all of which is understandable). I know daughter felt that her mum put more distance between her fathers side than she needed to. As an adult, she now understands that this was because mum was worried about the impact on her (the child) and also because she did not get on well/they could have been more supportive/being with them brought up negative memories of a very unhappy time in her life. But, the daughter had developed more of a relationship with her grandfather as an older teenager/adult, they were now quite close. Mum was aware that they had grown closer but perhaps not appreciated exactly how their relationship had grown- quite possibly the daughter didn’t want to cause upset by giving a lot of details? Who knows.

Outcome was that mum was very upset that step-father not giving her away, hurt that her daughter didn’t feel the way the thought she should about the family she had created and that her relationship with her step-father wasn’t quite as she thought. She felt a sense of loyalty to her husband who had “taken on” her daughter and treated her well (though I think that is something which behoves any step-parent to do- the parent chose you, not the child, and so being a positive presence in that child’s life is really the minimum you should expect to be). I know her mum was angry that the grandfather would be at top table/she’d have to be around him. The step-father was hurt, angry as he felt left out and that he was “owed a bit more respect” as her step-father. Her younger siblings were outraged on their fathers behalf- said it was a slap on the face, “he’s been like her father since she was small” etc. Genuinely seemed not to appreciate that he was NOT her father, and had never been seen or addressed as such.

I don’t think any one of them really tried to understand the brides reasoning. Just assumed she should feel as they felt about her relationship with her step-father and with her father’s family, that she really should see things as they saw them. The fact that she didn’t was because she was wrong, that she didn’t appreciate “how good” her step-father was and wasn’t giving him the loyalty that was owed. Her mum felt she didn’t appreciate how hard things had been for her and it was a slight to her too.

There was not a massive fall out, though it was made clear that her decision was viewed as unacceptable and told “it would damage relationships”, lots of suggestions of how the arrangements should be changed (very graciously the fathers family “could have a role”, but just not give her away). It was largely very polite and everyone went and “played nice”. It was awful. If you’d put it on paper, nobody did or said anything “wrong” but the smiles were insincere/painted on, the atmosphere stilted.

Within weeks there was a bit of a fall out (again nothing dramatic) and relations have soured. Daughter has distanced herself from her mum and family, they are still upset. Several years down the line and they have a child, but very little contact. There is no small degree of bitterness.

I think you should carefully consider why you feel your sister should feel the way you do about her relationship with her step-father and her uncle, and why she should ignore her feelings to keep you all happy.

billy1966 · 27/02/2021 18:34

@jacks11
Great post too.

You have explained so well and believably how the bride might have a completely different view of her childhood and how shocking that might be to her mother and step father.

It also has occurred to me that her mother may still view her a child who should automatically do her bidding and the idea that in fact she wants something completely different and will not bend is an angry shock.

It's unfortunate that it appears one party are likely to come out of it sore if people don't tread carefully.

I really hope the OP finds the posts about how her sister might feel helpful and that her parents can accept her decision without view it as a huge slight.

Flowers
jacks11 · 27/02/2021 19:13

@billy1966

I think it’s a really sad situation that could have been avoided if the rest of the family had just stopped for a second to think about why she chose her grandfather, why it was important to her, why she clearly felt differently than they expected about their family and her step-father. They also could not see or acknowledge that she was not “wrong” to feel this way. It wasn’t wrong, anymore than they are wrong about how they feel about their relationships- they just had different experiences and perspectives.

I do think that her feelings were actually more important than theirs on this particular point- not the wedding itself, more that her feelings and views regarding her father, his family, her step-father and the new nuclear family her mum created with him- were totally hers to have and that they had no right to tell her how she should feel about it all.

I was actually was quite surprised by the strength of their reaction at the time. I felt (as you can probably tell) quite sorry for her at the time. He was always “step-dad”, he was not “dad” and never pretended to be. I think it was a lot of misplaced loyalty on mum’s part, if I’m honest.

That said, I do understand why if mum/step-dad felt they’d created this “new family” and that eldest and step-dad were close, combined with her negative feelings about her ex-partners family, it came as a bit of a shock and could be upsetting. But I still think telling someone how they MUST feel about their step-parent and how they should feel about their other parents family I’d totally wrong.

I think, in that situation, the only ones “creating rifts” are those trying to re-write someone’s experiences and tell them their feelings aren’t allowed. So mum and step-dad are allowed to be shocked/upset, but once they’ve thought about it and realised that things might feel differently for their daughter/step-daughter, is fine. Even for it to be tinged with some sadness. But if you let that damage your relationship, then you can’t have been quite as close as you thought in the first place.

JustLyra · 27/02/2021 19:38

So mum and step-dad are allowed to be shocked/upset, but once they’ve thought about it and realised that things might feel differently for their daughter/step-daughter, is fine. Even for it to be tinged with some sadness. But if you let that damage your relationship, then you can’t have been quite as close as you thought in the first place.

Exactly this.

I also think rather than taking it out on the daughter the Mum and step-dad should be thinking about why this is a shock to them.

I have two DD’s for whom DH is their step-father. They have a very different relationship with him to each other, as well as to their younger (half) siblings. The younger girls might be surprised if DH wasn’t chosen to walk them down the aisle as they won’t remember the girls’ dad being around and see them having a good relationship with him. I wouldn’t be because I have always been very mindful of the issues in a blended family. Too many people forget that because a family “get on” it doesn’t necessarily mean everyone has thought every single minute is rosy.

TaraR2020 · 27/02/2021 23:39

Great post @jacks11, you've hit many nails on the head there

She felt a sense of loyalty to her husband who had “taken on” her daughter and treated her well

Strong feelings all around in step families, I've experienced it myself. They're all valid, but you can't underestimate the bonds that a child will develop, even if you don't understand them

billy1966 · 28/02/2021 00:26

@jacks11
Another great post.

This really is the brides call, and her's alone.
Her family would be very wise to try and understand her day, her choice.

👍

EL8888 · 28/02/2021 00:41

Her wedding = her choice. At your wedding l assume you had choices about the way things were done. This is what she is doing

trixies · 01/03/2021 10:19

Crikey. My sister managed to accept me cutting both our parents out of my life, even though she had a very different childhood. I feel very lucky in this moment that I had her!

It's one day, and if not being the one to walk her down the aisle is what his security and love and affection hangs on, then perhaps that's why he's not being chosen to do it.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/03/2021 14:14

@VeganCakes I doubt there could be much more acrimonious and angry than DHs family. I've spent a couple of decades venting about them here. We expected actual violence, we got it but not from MIL, SFIL and FIL!

From SIL and her female partner fighting in a puddle, me being threatened by her partner (with a broken glass) and DHs cousins, for lack of anyone else, beating the shit out of each other! It was an eventful afternoon/evening!

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