To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

[FindTheTruth]

Just saw this comment in the comments section of Times Article today talking about Play for Women taking taking the ONS to court for redefining sex in the census

Comment:
I thought that it was an exaggeration that there were extremists who denied sex. Then I went to a local meeting about the toilets in our town. Person after person stood up to say that segregating them by sex was wrong because “sex is reductive and must be replaced by gender identity”. My father - a retired vet - got chatting to one of them afterwards and asked if he knew humans are mammals.
“Ye-es,” he said.
“And if you were to get into breeding other mammals as pets - you would know which cat was of the sex class that could get pregnant by observing their sex organs. So you see, sex is not reductive but instead an absolute basic fundamental in the classification of mammalian life.”
His stupefying reply: “sex is a spectrum, so there would be no guarantees. In that scenario I’d buy a group of cats, leave them alone and they’d figure it out. By the way, you sound like a transphobe.”

AIBU To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

Where do you live where people actuallyhave those discussions? Round here, people are only concerned with the dog shit tsunami, fly tipping and the canonisation of our local Councillor.

@Shannon9873 I said HUMANS are more complex - I was asked about biology, however that was not my point - I know what I meant - however it is easy to twist people’s intentions and so the debate goes on.

@DdraigGoch

"Symbolic of his struggle against reality."

I love this sketch. John Cleese knew back then and he knows now.

@Coffeeandaworry

If we aren't more complex we definitely shouldn't keep cats as pets

I dunno about you but my car knows exactly who is in charge. She (or possibly he) is.

Actually I did have a cat which I booked for a spay, because she had visible female genitalia, but when they got in there, there was no uterus and a very short vagina.

Yanbu. It must be soooo tricky for people who believe sex is on a spectrum to work out who to procreate with.

*cat, not car obviously. The car is not in charge.

Sex is defined in the womb by chromosomes. Gender identity is different but cats just identify as themselves, males mate with females and that is it.

@letsghostdance

There is actually no way that this happened.

How I wish this were true.

There is a large movement of people who have been trained to believe that sex is a social construct and that in order to get rid of sexism you must get rid of sex as a category entirely, which is bonkers. You don't get rid of racism by pretending black people don't exist, it would take away their ability to name the problem.

The same people tell women we are wrong to use words like "breastfeeding" "women's health" "pregnant woman" or talk about any aspect of being a woman while acknowledging this is a female only experience. Instead we should use words like "chest feeding" "pregnant person' "person with a cervix" etc.

This matters. There is huge pressure on government and organisations to bow to this.

What's going on with the ONS is they have added a question on gender to the Census. No one us objecting to this.

It would make a lot of sense to have a question on biological sex plus a question gender as currently no one has reliable data on how many trans people there are in society or what age they are. Knowing this would benefit trans people in allocation of resources.

If trans advocacy groups were just about advocating for trans people and if feminist groups were really the evil anti-trans groups they are slurred as, then you could expect the feminists to be against having an additional question on gender and the trans activists groups to support clear questions on sex and gender so they can be properly counted. But that's the opposite of what's happening.

The ONS is planning to put out guidance that effectively means lots of trans people will be able to hide their biological sex and instead answer the sex question with the sex they wish they were. This is a nonsense, and that the very government department responsible for national statistics is allowing people to lie on the census because of this ideology should really be a wake up call.

This isn't about the ONS supporting trans rights, it's about erasing sex as a meaningful category. It's partly because that's so absurd and because so many people (quite understandably) think this is too idiotic to actually be happening, that this influential movement goes unnoticed by a lot of society.

I can totally believe the chat in the OP happened. Twitter is full of people who will tell you sex isn't real, and claim that sex is a social construct.

Feminist groups are desperately trying to sound the alarm that this is happening.

My point was that humans are more complex in terms of self awareness and social construct,

You didn't make that point at all, and we're talking about sex. Biology, not social construct. Social constructs in no way make sex a 'spectrum'.

@ErrolTheDragon the post is about toilets and a vet comparing cats to humans.

@barbrahunter

'Cats are far too sensible to care what humans think about their sex.'

Why do some people think this didn't happen? What is the outrageous/ unbelievable part?

The way the 'Comment' was written - in the style of a verbatim account of a conversation that happened some time ago (assuming the commentator lives in a Covid-hit area where public meetings, especially ones where people stand around chatting afterwards, haven't happened recently). So either the author has a bloody good memory to be able to quote parts of a conversation verbatim; or was writing for effect based on a real conversation (and may have embellished the dialogue in doing so); or it was a fictional account to make a point.

To be generous I'd go with the second option and accept it might be based on a real conversation. But that's not a strong enough basis to create a thread as if it were factual proof that some people think cats are on a sex spectrum.

Firstly, this didn't happen.

Secondly, kind of like that lawyer in the zoom said, "you are not a cat"

Apparently the Adder’s tongue fern has 720 chromosomes, can originalusername2021 enlighten us as to fern society.

My male cat identifies as an attack helicopter.

Where is holding meetings about toilets, now, in lockdown? Why are elderly people turning up to them? I'm willing to bet fifty kabillion pounds that the whole comment is someone having a laugh at everyone on all sides of the debate.

No wonder the world is in the state it's in if people believe everything they read online that suits their existing opinions.

Can I interest you in a timeshare, or perhaps some magic beans...?

@Shannon9873

Apparently the Adder’s tongue fern has 720 chromosomes, can originalusername2021 enlighten us as to fern society.

My response is the same to that of the potato comments.

[quote Originalusername2021]@ErrolTheDragon the post is about toilets and a vet comparing cats to humans.[/quote]
The OP is clearly about people trying to deny sex for gender beliefs, and trying to make a ridiculous argument using cats. The crux of the subject is that sex needs to be recognised for what it is, an unchangeable reality. To make a comparison with gender is trying to argue the point 'well yes, the Earth is a spherical globe spinning around the sun, but some believe it was created by a deity and others that it's a flat board of planet hovering in space - space science is a spectrum after all....'

If we aren't more complex we definitely shouldn't keep cats as pets

I think they actually adopt us as their slaves.

Why do people think this is not true? Do they not realise how mental this whole area has gotten? In my uni a tall male guy who identifies as male entered a race saying he was female. When he arrived even though he’s clearly a man he was allowed enter the female race, when he won a medal they even gave him the medal and posed for a photo with the two actual women who won.

They refused to see what they as at the end of their nose! That a man entered and won a woman’s race.

Personally that’s more bonkers than crazy cat guy!

Where is holding meetings about toilets, now, in lockdown?

The anecdote doesn't say when the meeting occurred.

For posters who don’t believe this exchange happened - similar conversations absolutely happen all over Twitter.

Hibo Wardere is a remarkable woman who campaigns to support victims of FGM (female genital mutilation) from these assaults that are still occurring and she has been hounded on Twitter for referring to victims of FGM as females. Apparently this is hurtful and not inclusive.

Anyone who doubts whether they’re on the wrong side of history on this debate just needs to remember that. It’s ‘hurtful and disgusting’ to refer to victims of actual mutilation specifically targeted at their female bodies as women. What?