To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

[FindTheTruth]

Just saw this comment in the comments section of Times Article today talking about Play for Women taking taking the ONS to court for redefining sex in the census

Comment:
I thought that it was an exaggeration that there were extremists who denied sex. Then I went to a local meeting about the toilets in our town. Person after person stood up to say that segregating them by sex was wrong because “sex is reductive and must be replaced by gender identity”. My father - a retired vet - got chatting to one of them afterwards and asked if he knew humans are mammals.
“Ye-es,” he said.
“And if you were to get into breeding other mammals as pets - you would know which cat was of the sex class that could get pregnant by observing their sex organs. So you see, sex is not reductive but instead an absolute basic fundamental in the classification of mammalian life.”
His stupefying reply: “sex is a spectrum, so there would be no guarantees. In that scenario I’d buy a group of cats, leave them alone and they’d figure it out. By the way, you sound like a transphobe.”

AIBU To think that the sex of cats is not on a spectrum?

*For example:

• she's a little Miss. Won't get her pretty paws wet that one. Not like her brother who likes adventures!
• male cats are always bigger and the boss - they let the girls know who is boss (Caveat - I'm pretty sure the person who said this now frequents MRA sites).
• He's a real boy - he's cuddly but he does like his freedom!
• She's a real girl - she's not a lap cat!

... and so on.

I am genuinely curious as to whether this is due to (a) real biologically based behaviours (b) human anthropomorphising (c) the strengthening of the idea of 'gender' in the human world so that we are even applying it to animals or (d) something else*

Fairly sure it’s b and c.

I see this all the time. In the vets and a dog with a blue/grey collar on, and the owner saying how they are going to get a pink collar or she’ll think she’s insert male humans stereotype.

If you look now people are colour coding animals in the same way they do babies. Pink harnesses, coats, collars, beds etc.

Obviously there will be some sex based behaviour in uneutered animals and maybe some difference in size, but saying shit like she doesn’t like getting dirty because she’s a girl, or he chases balls because he’s a boy, it just stupid.

Confirmation bias again. People see the male cat going out the catflap and think he’s off adventuring, the female in front of the fire and think girls are homebodies. They just don’t notice when the opposite happens as it doesn’t fit their hypothesis...

[quote Thewithesarehere]@JustAmotherOne
Yet another day when I didn’t receive any response to the scientific questions I posed to yet another TRA who appears to have no idea what biochemistry of sex actually means.[/quote]
1 I’m pretty sure I did answer.

2 I haven’t commented anywhere on the biochemistry of sex, so you’re either inventing stuff or tagged the wrong poster

2 calling posters who disagree with your points “Trans Radical Activists” doesn’t make you seem like a person with whom discussion is going to be worthwhile

calling posters who disagree with your points “Trans Radical Activists” doesn’t make you seem like a person with whom discussion is going to be worthwhile

You're the one who's assuming that, quite often TRAs means Trans Rights Activists. Unsure how that it an insulting term?

@334bu

Nora Imlau's reply is the tweet I am referring to." How transphobic of Hibo Wardere not to include transwomen when talking about FGM" Absolutely nuts!!!!!!

There are no words

I have 2 born female, now neutered cats who climb trees, catch mice and beat up other cats in the area.

I wonder what gender they are?

If you look now people are colour coding animals in the same way they do babies. Pink harnesses, coats, collars, beds etc

Yes, it has become quite an industry hasn't it? In the old days, most pet products were beige or dark blue from memory and there were a lot more non-sex-specific names too like 'Tiddles', 'Puss', 'Fluffy', 'Tibby' and so on. I've met two humans with the same name as the childhood cat and one was male and the other female. Cats used to behave like cats and dogs generally made smells, barked and drooled.

brum...

“ You're the one who's assuming that, quite often TRAs means Trans Rights Activists. Unsure how that it an insulting term?”

I’m kind of at a loss on where to start with this.

What do you think TRA might mean, used in the context of this thread, where it has already been used several times to refer to trans radical activists?

And given that TRAs are regularly held up as issuers of death and rape threats (including on this actual thread) I’d love to hear your argument that it’s not an insulting term.

This faux niaivety is laughable - you’re posting on just about every trans-related thread and know exactly what it means and why it’s being used to undermine and attack posters who disagree with GC positions.

Science denial has always been a part of the human psyche, especially amongst people who hold strong religious or philosophical beliefs. So it is not surprising that people ,who truly wish to believe that changing sex is possible , will use all sorts of things to try and rationalise what is purely a belief and not actual reality. Hence the spectrum of sex which relies heavily on exploiting the complex medical conditions some humans have; humans who are still always either male or female. This becomes dangerous when such irrational belief is appropriated by those in power for reasons of political expediency or because they wish to use the people's blind faith in the ridiculous to introduce measures which would otherwise be objectionable.
In Galileo's time, it was important to the powers that be that man and the earth were the centre of the Universe and nothing could be mooted that challenged it.

The motives behind the acceptance that people can change sex, especially by parties like The Greens whose very platform is based on science is unclear but what is evident is that it has allowed an upsurge in misogyny amongst the so called liberal left.
20 years ago a Labour politician arguing to allow a male rapist into a female prison would have been pilloried, now they run for Leader of the party.

@JustAmotherOne

brum...

“ You're the one who's assuming that, quite often TRAs means Trans Rights Activists. Unsure how that it an insulting term?”

I’m kind of at a loss on where to start with this.

What do you think TRA might mean, used in the context of this thread, where it has already been used several times to refer to trans radical activists?

And given that TRAs are regularly held up as issuers of death and rape threats (including on this actual thread) I’d love to hear your argument that it’s not an insulting term.

This faux niaivety is laughable - you’re posting on just about every trans-related thread and know exactly what it means and why it’s being used to undermine and attack posters who disagree with GC positions.

Yes some TRAs send death and rape threats, doesn't mean those who are insistant that any sex-based discussion is 'transphobic' are not also trans-rights activists . However, it obviously bothers someone as yourself to be described as a 'radical activist', I'll keep I mind to fully write it out in future so at least I know I'm speaking about the 'can't even explain what gender is' type of TRA rather than the 'dick-pic sending, male-pattern violence' type I'd hate to confuse you with.

As for posting on 'just about every trans thread', that is also laughable. There are millions of them, though yes (thankfully) recently many sex/gender discussions are coming over to a wider platform, making it easier to engage. Though nice to know I've earned myself a stalker in the last couple of weeks.

Yes some TRAs send death and rape threats..

I'm guessing that they would be the male ones.

(Happy to be corrected on that.)

Stalker..... right. Please excuse me for replying when you quote me and ask me questions.

@JustAmotherOne

Stalker..... right. Please excuse me for replying when you quote me and ask me questions.

I didn't ask you anything. What's the point, you wouldn't answer anyway, well nothing sensible in relation to the thread subject. Just more angry deflection.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

If you look now people are colour coding animals in the same way they do babies. Pink harnesses, coats, collars, beds etc

Yes, it has become quite an industry hasn't it? In the old days, most pet products were beige or dark blue from memory and there were a lot more non-sex-specific names too like 'Tiddles', 'Puss', 'Fluffy', 'Tibby' and so on. I've met two humans with the same name as the childhood cat and one was male and the other female. Cats used to behave like cats and dogs generally made smells, barked and drooled.

Some people have more disposable income now. 50 years ago people expected prams, pushchairs, toys and lots of clothes to be used for several children, as money was too tight to buy a new version for a new child. The idea of buying a blue pushchair for a boy and then replacing it with a pink one for a girl would have been laughable. In recent years manufacturers and marketeers have seen a way to extract more money from parents and are milking it for all they are worth. I'm convinced it's one reason why gender stereotyping is worse now in some ways than it was when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.

Looks like same approach is being taken to pet accessories.

We need to fight back!

But does my cat feel like a cat? Is cat his true identity? Maybe he's non-species-binary and I have been committing literal violence by mis-speciesing him? handwrings

Yeah - well there are a few 'my cat thinks (s)he's a dog/human/deity' comments out there ...

The idea of buying a blue pushchair for a boy and then replacing it with a pink one for a girl would have been laughable. In recent years manufacturers and marketeers have seen a way to extract more money from parents and are milking it for all they are worth

Always about the money.!! However, you would think that this generation of young parents ,who are the " green" generation ,wouldn't call for this consumeristic, non -environmentally friendly claptrap. A good salesman can convince anyone that something is an essential and they can also convince the gullible that sex is a spectrum!
Bet you cats wouldn't call for it.

Fall for not call for

*Yes some TRAs send death and rape threats..

I'm guessing that they would be the male ones.*

Quite. It's not often you see a transman threatening to whack men with their man tits, or - I don't know - squirt them with their man fanny.

But does my cat feel like a cat?
Surely whatever they feel like will be how a cat feels on account of their being a cat and having that feeling so that's how a cat feels.

Yeah - well there are a few 'my cat thinks (s)he's a dog/human/deity' comments out there ...

Although all cats think they're deities and the Egyptians actually worshipped them so that last one is just being a cat

I find the whole 'sex isn't binary, it's a spectrum, there is no such thing as male and female' so offensive.

Over history there has never been any ambiguity about who is male and who is female. Never any question of who should be denied a vote, or an education, or an abortion, who should be murdered at birth, who should be raped as a weapon of war, who should have their genitals mutilated, who should be denied a promotion or a pay rise. No one had to check anyone's genitals or chromosomes, no one ever navel gazed about 'what does it even mean to be a woman'.

It's such fucking horseshit, perpetrated mainly by males who apparently cannot stand seeing women carving out their own standing in society.

50 years ago people expected prams, pushchairs, toys and lots of clothes to be used for several children, as money was too tight to buy a new version for a new child. The idea of buying a blue pushchair for a boy and then replacing it with a pink one for a girl would have been laughable. In recent years manufacturers and marketeers have seen a way to extract more money from parents and are milking it for all they are worth. I'm convinced it's one reason why gender stereotyping is worse now in some ways than it was when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.

I'm with you on the idea that capitalism benefits hugely from this bullshit.

Might even be the main driving force.

@JustAmotherOne
I meant Trans Rights Activists. In fact, until now, I didn’t even know that the other term existed.
You haven’t commented on the biochemistry of sex because you simply have no information, just like every other defender of TWAW argument.
You have been putting forward the word ‘hyperbole’ for the arguments on this thread yet you do not understand the very basics of the reason why AIBU and Mumsnet women are so overwhelmingly in favour of sex vs gender argument.
I have been bleating about this on probably every AIBU thread: Hollywood and our education system has a lot to answer for making everything look easy please. One spider bite can turn you into spider. So a few injection might surely change the biochemistry of your body too. Makes sense, right? No it doesn’t. Spider bites don’t turn you into Spider-Man and puberty blockers have no registrational clinical trial data behind them.

Thank you, BarbaraofKent; that's a killer argument!

For TRA which is always used to mean Trans Roghts Activists you could just as well substitute MRA.