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To even consider giving husband second chance

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sal1223 · 19/02/2021 19:48

Husband of 17 years , 2 kids and what I thought was a happy life confessed to me late last night that he had a one night stand 3 years ago. Totally out of character for him - she'd been openly pursuing him apparently - and he got blind drunk one night and had sex with her. I'm devastated, heartbroken and can't stop crying - I'm in shock . I always thought that when a partner does this the other person should immediately kick them out and end the relationship but I'm not feeling as black and white about it as I thought I'd be . He says he hates himself and never told me because he loves me and didn't want me to leave him but the guilt has been too much to bear and he's considered taking his life - that's when he decided to tell me.
YABU - kick him out
YANBU - it was a one off with no emotional connection that he deeply regrets

Wtf do I do ? I'm working from home with the kids and he's working on site - the woman has moved away.
I love him , the kids love him he's a great dad but my head is swimming - I've been sick , can't eat , can't focus . Any advise ? X

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Bluekangaroo123 · 21/02/2021 14:17

So sorry you are going through this OP. I went through something similar around 10 years & it was devastating. You might want to read some of Rosie Green’s articles, she has also written a book. She writes very powerfully & openly about the end of her marriage.

C0RAL · 21/02/2021 14:25

I think it’s good idea to give yourself some time and space to process this and make a decision.

If he wants to make it work he will respect your wishes and move out to allow this.

And him looking after his kids will give him an opportunity to show what a great dad and reformed character he is.

You need actions not words OP.

Sonicbloom · 21/02/2021 14:31

Perhaps with him back at work you can get some headspace to think, if him leaving isn’t an option right now. I get the childcare helps you have him on tap for that side of things which is a help right now to enable you to think. My knee jerk might be get out as I wouldn’t be able to stand the sight of him but you’ve made it through the first couple of days and seem to be okay so may be just keep going.There’s no rush to make a decision, just go with how you feel each day and what you need to get you through.

sal1223 · 21/02/2021 14:41

I just want to go back to not knowing

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/02/2021 14:46

I don't think I'd ever be able to be intimate with him again - that's the kicker
The way I'm feeling right now is that I love him , and I would like to try and move on from this but know myself and no that I can't

That's all 100% natural sal, and FWIW you've got a lot of self-knowledge to be able to face how you're likely to feel with such honestly

Again, this is why the majority of us are saying you don't have to make instant decisions, but with respect I would just add two caveats. The first is that you may struggle to decide anything with his self-pitying presence around, and the second is that allowing him to remain there for now may convince him that you're just having a little tantrum and that it'll soon be safe for ALL the attention to return to him

sal1223 · 21/02/2021 15:02

How can I have any self respect considering to forgiving him

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MrsPerfect12 · 21/02/2021 15:17

@sal1223

I've told my two closest friends who have both said they couldn't forgive their other half's for the same but I've got to do what I want and follow how I feel - maybe put a timeline on it
The don't know they would do that. Nobody can say until they're in the position. It's such a hard one. I don't have any advise but take your time. The counselling may really help. Flowers
Bluetrews25 · 21/02/2021 15:23

So he's a cheater, a drug taker and a bit of a heavy drinker.
Oh and let's not forget the emotional manipulator - 'I had to tell you or kill myself, so be grateful I'm still alive!' How long before the 'you can't break up with me! I'll kill myself' speech? Call 999 when that happens, OP, and carry on with what you were doing.
And you want to be with him because???

TurquoiseDragon · 21/02/2021 15:54

@Butcanyoujusttellme

He could have slept with this woman, realised it was a mistake, got an std test and spent the last 3 years trying to learn from his mistake and be the best husband he can be

But instead it sounds like he has not ensured the marriage is happier
And he’s unburdened his guilt, at a safe time (3 years after the fact and when you’re locked down with him)

Now he feels relieved and you get the burden of dealing with this AND deciding what to do

Not only that but he’s emotionally manipulated you and told you about how you could’ve lost him completely - so now you think well at least this (him cheating on me) is better. And also effectively hinted that if you do get rid, he may do something drastic.

Additionally you have to go get an std test. Which implies he has not had one.

So whilst he was feeling all this guilt and feeling sorry for himself, he was not thinking about you, again, and considering how this could effect not just your happiness but your actual health.

If he was such a good husband and father he would’ve thought about you more and his children more. He hasn’t.

I've just read the whole thread, and this just about sums it up.

OP, your husband is not who you thought he was. He's a coward, manipulative, pathetic.

He's drinking to help him cope? He's effectively putting all the blame and guilt onto you. Funny how he doesn't feel suicidal now that he's told you, isn't it? If he really had MH issues that bad, he'd have gone to the GP.

and now I've told him that a lot of the outcome of this depends on what he does now - he answers 'I don't know what to do' so like pp have said (and I've said to him) he's making this all my responsibility.

If he was really a decent man who sincerely regretted a ONS, he'd have been proactive about doing what it took to gain your forgiveness. He'd have arranged appointments with the GP, with counsellors, etc.

But he hasn't. He's saying he doesn't know what to do because he wants you to take the lead so that when, inevitably (given his lack of action) you decide to end the marriage, he can say it's all your fault.

And I say inevitably because his lack of action, any attempt to take ownership of the guilt, his "me me me" attitude with no attempt at understanding your feelings, will kill the marriage more than a ONS will.

Like others have posted, this wasn't a ONS for me. A ONS is meeting a random, having sex and then never seeing them again. This was a colleague, they'd clear;y been getting to know each other, having a form of emotional affair that then led to sex. Very different.

From your descriptions, OP, I'd say he wants out of the marriage but doesn't want to be the bad guy.

You need to be blunt because you are still taking on his mental load. Tell him you don't have the energy to spare for his feelings, that you barely have the energy to cope with your own. I bet you'll see a different person when he thinks you don't give a shit about his feelings.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/02/2021 16:19

How can I have any self respect considering to forgiving him

There's a possibility you may not be able to; equally, given his attitude so far, he may see no need to respect you if you facilitate his "me, me, me" narrative

There's a certain type of man who's unable to grasp what they've done unless they see consequences for themselves, and while we can't know if he's one of them, I'd say it's starting to look that way

Which is at least partly what asking him to leave while you consider this could be about

GeordieGreigsButtButtZoom · 21/02/2021 16:27

@sal1223

I just want to go back to not knowing
He should never have told you.
VinylDetective · 21/02/2021 16:41

@sal1223

How can I have any self respect considering to forgiving him
There are a lot of women with fully intact self respect who forgive far worse because they love their partners. Self respect is doing what’s right for you.
RealisticSketch · 21/02/2021 16:47

Forgiving isn't condoning. Forgiveness is not something that could be reasonably expected by him, so if you did try to create a future with forgiveness in it, that would be a gift which he could have no presumption of you bestowing on him... Therefore your self respect is intact in that situation, because it is in your power to give it our withhold it. An act of generosity from a position of power even. Of course it goes without saying that it is only worth giving if the person receiving it appreciated it's value and is truly sorry. To keep forgiving, if the person did it again and therefore was throwing it back in your face, that's self sabotage and completely different..

supersop60 · 21/02/2021 16:57

@RealisticSketch

Forgiving isn't condoning. Forgiveness is not something that could be reasonably expected by him, so if you did try to create a future with forgiveness in it, that would be a gift which he could have no presumption of you bestowing on him... Therefore your self respect is intact in that situation, because it is in your power to give it our withhold it. An act of generosity from a position of power even. Of course it goes without saying that it is only worth giving if the person receiving it appreciated it's value and is truly sorry. To keep forgiving, if the person did it again and therefore was throwing it back in your face, that's self sabotage and completely different..
^this^ Also - it's too soon to think about forgiving. Everything is new to you, whereas your H has been living with it for 3 years. If he is truly remorseful (time will tell), then you can work through it together. Don't rush into anything and talk to whoever you need to.
VinylDetective · 21/02/2021 17:02

Beautiful, meaningful post @RealisticSketch.

sal1223 · 21/02/2021 17:23

@RealisticSketch yes I see what you mean and I get it . He's said he doesn't think I should forgive him, doesn't deserve forgiveness and ultimately doesn't think I'll be able to

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Hollywolly1 · 21/02/2021 17:27

I'm trying to figure out why he feels you shouldn't forgive him etc..its almost like he doesn't want forgiveness

SunshineCake · 21/02/2021 17:28

@sal1223

How can I have any self respect considering to forgiving him
Staying and forgiving is not the easy option. Do what you feel. You don't have to make a decision right now and even if you do, it doesn't have to be forever. Stop beating yourself up and feeling like you have to decide now Flowers.
category12 · 21/02/2021 17:30

[quote sal1223]@RealisticSketch yes I see what you mean and I get it . He's said he doesn't think I should forgive him, doesn't deserve forgiveness and ultimately doesn't think I'll be able to [/quote]
Maybe he wants out, but is too much of a coward to say so and wants you to be the one to call it.

Jenala · 21/02/2021 17:32

I can't help but think all this "you can't forgive me, you shouldn't blah blah" is in the same vein as claiming to be suicidal. It comes from a place of wanting you to know how guilty he feels but seems a bit manipulative - places onus on you to reassure and say you might forgive etc when you don't know where your head is at right now. I think he just needs to shut up to be honest and give you the room to think. Just be a good person to you, give you space, let you have the time to process things and talk when you want to.

I say this as someone who has been in a similar position as your husband, at least in terms of hurting the person I love. I broke up with DH when we were in our early twentiesj, just because I felt trapped being in a long term relationship, he had done nothing wrong. We both moved back home, and I saw someone else for a couple of months in that time. While not technically cheating it was still painful for him of course. When I realised my mistake and asked to get back together I saw very quickly that as much as I wanted to ask him for reassurance and apologise over and over and have him say everything was ok, after a time I had to shut up and put up, and show in my actions I had learned some life lessons. I had to give him space which meant stepping back, seeing him less often, basically making no demands. It took about a year for things to feel normal again. I'd spun his world upside down and now had to let him process this. This is what your husband needs to do. 10 years down the line we are very happy but I think I'd have pushed him away if I'd kept pushing for the reassurance from him.

sal1223 · 21/02/2021 17:33

I've asked him that and he says no he wants to stay because he loves us but can't see how I'll ever get past what he's done and doesn't feel like he deserves me and the kids now

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sal1223 · 21/02/2021 17:36

He's not pushing me for anything , just sort of speaking when spoken to at the moment . We are both so different how we deal with things - he's always been super laid back and I'm pretty full on

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AnnaMagnani · 21/02/2021 17:36

It honestly sounds as if he's told you to cheer himself up and now make you the bad guy who splits up the family.

Previous posters have suggested numerous ways in which he could have worked on things if he thought there were issues either in the marriage or with his mood: seeing his GP, having counselling himself, joint relationship counselling, just going to the STD clinic.

But instead he seems to have preferred to drop a bomb after many years, make it all about his guilt and now indulge in a pity party.

bigbird1969 · 21/02/2021 17:39

It is all rather odd, you have been living happily well so you thought, he decides to tell you about a drug fuelled ONS as he has felt guilt for 3 yrs and now keeps pushing to suggest you cant forgive him. Is he looking for a reason to leave but creating a scenario which is that you dont trust him due to a previous infidelity. Sets the scene for wife has chucked me out due to lack of trust, ONS ( he can claim you knew about it) he leaves and boom new woman is there sat on the wing. He can continue the poor me sceanrio, she couldnt forgive bla bla bla or maybe i have been watching too many fiction books....but either way it is all rather odd

Sisterlove · 21/02/2021 18:05

If he wants to help you, a good start will be him reading/signing up to a website called Survivinginfidelity.com and he should post his situation on the wayward spouse forum. He'll get plenty good advice there, because at the moment, he's trying to make fixing this your problem and I don't like the sound of that.

By saying he needs your support, it almost gives him a get out if things don't work.

There are so many resources for a cheating spouse to help the betrayed spouse online and if he had just a little bit of sense he would have thought of this.

He says he wants it to work, but does he really. Him saying you deserve better and you won't be able to forgive him, have a hint of him not wanting to stay. Though most people wouldn't want to be known as a cheater if they could get away with it.

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