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To even consider giving husband second chance

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sal1223 · 19/02/2021 19:48

Husband of 17 years , 2 kids and what I thought was a happy life confessed to me late last night that he had a one night stand 3 years ago. Totally out of character for him - she'd been openly pursuing him apparently - and he got blind drunk one night and had sex with her. I'm devastated, heartbroken and can't stop crying - I'm in shock . I always thought that when a partner does this the other person should immediately kick them out and end the relationship but I'm not feeling as black and white about it as I thought I'd be . He says he hates himself and never told me because he loves me and didn't want me to leave him but the guilt has been too much to bear and he's considered taking his life - that's when he decided to tell me.
YABU - kick him out
YANBU - it was a one off with no emotional connection that he deeply regrets

Wtf do I do ? I'm working from home with the kids and he's working on site - the woman has moved away.
I love him , the kids love him he's a great dad but my head is swimming - I've been sick , can't eat , can't focus . Any advise ? X

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JamieFrasersAuntie · 20/02/2021 17:33

Op I cannot stress enough how harmful it is to hear details about what happened. I understand you want to know but these images will haunt you and create what is known as mind movies.

I said it earlier,it seems he doesn't want to be forgiven. Whether you can forgive or not is neither here nor there if he's done with the marriage. And it sounds like he is.

I'm sorry to say I suspect this is going to be months of trauma and counselling before he throws in the towel claiming he can't cope and you're never going to forgive him or he doesn't deserve it.

You need to consider the following carefully. He thought you were going to throw him out. Where was he planning to go? I would want an answer to that and I'd want to know if he's seen a solicitor also. He's had 3 years to consider the outcome of his confession, I don't believe he didn't have a plan in place.

Kit19 · 20/02/2021 18:04

agreed Jamie

OP I really hope that your DH has stopped his pity party and started to come up with what he's going to do to repair the damage

Humblebumbleoh · 20/02/2021 18:26

Just a point op - your ‘d’h isn’t the person you thought he was - so you used to think he was honest to a fault. Now you know that’s just not true - how do you trust what else he says?

sal1223 · 20/02/2021 19:19

Tense day , very difficult to discuss with kids running in and out . It's vital to me that they don't know anything that's going on so it's a case of arguing / upset and big smiles and taking interest in bugs they've found - he's in with them watching a film now.
He said the cliche 'I wasn't getting any at home' at one point today which was distressing - and now I've told him that a lot of the outcome of this depends on what he does now - he answers 'I don't know what to do' so like pp have said (and I've said to him) he's making this all my responsibility. Which is just starting to make me angrier , he thinks whatever happens I'll end up ending our marriage once it sinks in what he's done - he feels better and glad he told me but still feels incredibly guilty and undeserving of any chance . I just don't know what to say to him

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shreddednips · 20/02/2021 19:29

This is horrible OP, I'm so sorry. I am in a very similar situation myself but I'm a few months down the line from finding out.

My advice for you would be to do pretty much nothing until the dust has settled for you. If you need space to think, he needs to move out to give you that space. If he's a good man who made a bad decision and genuinely feels remorse, he will go along with whatever you need without complaint because YOU are the one who has been wronged and had the carpet pulled out from under your feet.

You aren't in a position at the moment to make any decisions because you are in shock. At the moment, just focus on your health. Try to get as much sleep as you can. Spend time talking to friends and family (you don't have to tell them if you don't want to). Try to get outside for some sunshine and fresh air and do anything you can think of that will give you some happiness, even if it's just for a bit. You need respite and care.

This feels urgent and pressing at the moment because you are in fight or flight mode. Some people might disagree with me but actually, I think the need to make a decision isn't urgent. He has been a total arse, he can wait until you're feeling better. Anyway, I would recommend just watching what he does over the course of the next few weeks to decide whether he truly is remorseful. Real remorse isn't crying and saying how terrible you feel, it's doing whatever needs to be done to make amends and sustaining it over time. Do not let him put you under any pressure to make your mind up. I would also just bear in mind that there may be more to it that will come to light over time. Maybe there isn't. But it's another good reason to just bide your time a bit until things are a bit clearer.

One thing I would say, and I mean this gently, is I don't like the sound of him being all woe is me and talking about suicide. My husband did this a bit at first and it's trying to deflect from your pain (which makes him uncomfortable) to making it all about him. It is manipulative. If he is truly feeling suicidal, he needs to get help for that from his GP. It is not on for him to ask for you to support him to recover from something he did to YOU. It's absolutely fine for you to say to him that he needs to find someone else to unload onto because you need to focus on your own needs right now.

Hubblebubble75 · 20/02/2021 19:36

I can’t believe he’s still blaming someone else. He wasn’t getting it at home. That old chestnut. I despair. So will you feel duty bound to keep giving it to him regularly in case he feels he needs to stray again? What exact amount of shags will enable him to keep it in his trousers , 3x or 5x a week?
His complete lack of action is depressing too. Has he asked you anything about what you need and how you feel?

sal1223 · 20/02/2021 19:45

@shreddednips thanks - he'll be back at work Monday and kids are in school so I will have time to myself then - albeit working from home but I'll be alone.

No he hasn't asked what I need - and I've told him how I feel . It's been handy he's here so the kids haven't seen me cry - I've been able to disappear upstairs or in the loo . I don't know what he needs to do now , he's asked me and said he doesn't know what to do . He no longer feels he's struggling mentally since he's told me other than the guilt and upset , he said he had dark thoughts because he hates himself for what he's done and for keeping it from me but doesn't feel as bad now he's told me .
I look at him and feel such sadness , I thought he was mine - I wish I didn't love him - I'm angry with myself for still loving him

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shreddednips · 20/02/2021 19:47

@sal1223

Tense day , very difficult to discuss with kids running in and out . It's vital to me that they don't know anything that's going on so it's a case of arguing / upset and big smiles and taking interest in bugs they've found - he's in with them watching a film now. He said the cliche 'I wasn't getting any at home' at one point today which was distressing - and now I've told him that a lot of the outcome of this depends on what he does now - he answers 'I don't know what to do' so like pp have said (and I've said to him) he's making this all my responsibility. Which is just starting to make me angrier , he thinks whatever happens I'll end up ending our marriage once it sinks in what he's done - he feels better and glad he told me but still feels incredibly guilty and undeserving of any chance . I just don't know what to say to him
This is really bad behaviour on his part, the last thing you need in this situation is him moping around like a wet weekend. Can you just take a break from discussing it with him and tell him that the first thing he needs to do is stop making it all about himself and that you don't want to listen to his moaning.

What he needs to do now is give you practical support- there's nothing he can say at the moment that will make it feel better, you need space to process. Instead of whining, he needs to do something actually useful like taking housework and childcare off your shoulders so you can have some time to yourself.

RealisticSketch · 20/02/2021 19:48

I haven't rtft, I've only read your posts op.
It strikes me that your dh doesn't seem to be a serial cheater. He is a flawed human same as the rest of us and I could imagine that the combination of midlife, pressures on home relationship from parenting etc, a female being very keen and inhibitions being lowered by drink etc could result in a seriously bad decision.
Which is awful.
But, I think that he can either live a sham life and never tell you (which few people, and certainly none with a conscience could do without some kind of break down), or he just ends the marriage without giving you the real reason... Or he tells you.
If the two of you are to come through this, and I don't think that needs to be off the cards, you are both going to have to go through the mire, together, in different ways.
Which is ghastly.
But, there is no other way that doesn't involve the truth not coming out. Ignorance may be bliss, but the alternative is for a person, who has been a good human in many ways that matters, to carry a lie. For life.
You mentioned you were angry that he was full of bad feelings, but it is your feelings that count as you are the victim. Which is true, you are the wronged party and your feelings definitely do count. But how could he switch off the remorse and self hatred? Sure, the last thing you want is to be dealing with his bad feelings, but he'd have to be a psychopath, or place zero value on fidelity and you, to not have them.
So, you are both in a miserable place, on quite different trajectories. He, who has had remorse and self hatred eating away at him for a long time, is at a point where the weight of deceit is lifted. While you, are at the point where you have been plunged head first into confronting betrayal and loss of trust. The difference is like between long slow torture and being thrown into boiling water.
As a partnership, inevitably what one person lives the other lives alongside and this includes suffering.
I don't think he is a master manipulator of post-cheating emotion shifting where he feels better while you feel shit... That might apply to some men who cheat but who aren't deep down sorry. But if he is a human who made a mistake and is sorry, he has to reveal this... Or the future is dead. So it is very reductive to say that by making you feel shit, he feels better and that's the point of it all and further evidence of his moral bankruptcy... Some men may intentionally manipulate like that, but it doesn't mean this is what he's doing. What else can he do? He tells you, this ends his big secret, if that wasn't a relief he'd have to be stone cold hearted. He's a human and should be judged on his own merits. From what you've said he seems genuinely remorseful.
After the paradoxical relief of revealing his deception, he has a long road ahead of self recrimination, re-earning of trust (if you decide to try to forgive), and life-long knowledge of what he put you through (assuming he loves you, which he seems to). He has to parent his children knowing he isn't a perfect role model. None of this is a small thing. I am not trying to suggest he is hurting more than you, just pointing out that the relief he feels now, is a blip in a long road.
Meanwhile you have your own distress, which is awful in a very different way.
When he did this thing he put you both here, it is self inflicted, that doesn't mean you aren't both hurting.
If you love him, and he is genuinely sorry you could find a way through this.
I know a couple who have done it, very successfully, it took genuine remorse from the guilty party, and love but it was worth it. They are both happier now and the honesty, courage and mutual support they used to get to a point where it didn't define their relationship was worthwhile. They now look after their relationship in a way that maybe they hadn't before, they know each other well, it wouldn't be forgiveable again but because the human frailty which got them there was an abject lesson for the guilty party which they will never forget, it is not likely it will ever come up.

You mention being disappointed he doesn't fight for you. But I think someone who feels they deserve to be thrown on the scrap heap would struggle to muster the self esteem to persuade you that he is worth keeping. If he is so appalled at his choice that he has wanted to end his life, how can he argue you need to give him another chance. To me I would be more suspicious of the depths of his remorse if he did.

sal1223 · 20/02/2021 19:48

I told him I feel like I don't know him anymore , I can't believe he was able to look me in the eye and carry on life as normal - it really takes something to keep a betrayal secret everyday for 600 days

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sal1223 · 20/02/2021 19:49

900 days 🙄

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Summertime246 · 20/02/2021 19:49

I think his story is starting to unravel a little. Did he do it because he was blind drunk and didn't know what he was doing, or was it that he wasn't getting any at home? It sounds like it was very much a planned encounter. I'm sorry you're going through this.

Summertime246 · 20/02/2021 19:50

Also - If he did it because he wasn't getting any at home, this won't be the last time he does something like this

sal1223 · 20/02/2021 19:55

@RealisticSketch wow thank you for taking the time to reply like that , it's helped and I need to re-read what you've said as it makes a lot of sense to me

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shreddednips · 20/02/2021 20:08

@RealisticSketch

I haven't rtft, I've only read your posts op. It strikes me that your dh doesn't seem to be a serial cheater. He is a flawed human same as the rest of us and I could imagine that the combination of midlife, pressures on home relationship from parenting etc, a female being very keen and inhibitions being lowered by drink etc could result in a seriously bad decision. Which is awful. But, I think that he can either live a sham life and never tell you (which few people, and certainly none with a conscience could do without some kind of break down), or he just ends the marriage without giving you the real reason... Or he tells you. If the two of you are to come through this, and I don't think that needs to be off the cards, you are both going to have to go through the mire, together, in different ways. Which is ghastly. But, there is no other way that doesn't involve the truth not coming out. Ignorance may be bliss, but the alternative is for a person, who has been a good human in many ways that matters, to carry a lie. For life. You mentioned you were angry that he was full of bad feelings, but it is your feelings that count as you are the victim. Which is true, you are the wronged party and your feelings definitely do count. But how could he switch off the remorse and self hatred? Sure, the last thing you want is to be dealing with his bad feelings, but he'd have to be a psychopath, or place zero value on fidelity and you, to not have them. So, you are both in a miserable place, on quite different trajectories. He, who has had remorse and self hatred eating away at him for a long time, is at a point where the weight of deceit is lifted. While you, are at the point where you have been plunged head first into confronting betrayal and loss of trust. The difference is like between long slow torture and being thrown into boiling water. As a partnership, inevitably what one person lives the other lives alongside and this includes suffering. I don't think he is a master manipulator of post-cheating emotion shifting where he feels better while you feel shit... That might apply to some men who cheat but who aren't deep down sorry. But if he is a human who made a mistake and is sorry, he has to reveal this... Or the future is dead. So it is very reductive to say that by making you feel shit, he feels better and that's the point of it all and further evidence of his moral bankruptcy... Some men may intentionally manipulate like that, but it doesn't mean this is what he's doing. What else can he do? He tells you, this ends his big secret, if that wasn't a relief he'd have to be stone cold hearted. He's a human and should be judged on his own merits. From what you've said he seems genuinely remorseful. After the paradoxical relief of revealing his deception, he has a long road ahead of self recrimination, re-earning of trust (if you decide to try to forgive), and life-long knowledge of what he put you through (assuming he loves you, which he seems to). He has to parent his children knowing he isn't a perfect role model. None of this is a small thing. I am not trying to suggest he is hurting more than you, just pointing out that the relief he feels now, is a blip in a long road. Meanwhile you have your own distress, which is awful in a very different way. When he did this thing he put you both here, it is self inflicted, that doesn't mean you aren't both hurting. If you love him, and he is genuinely sorry you could find a way through this. I know a couple who have done it, very successfully, it took genuine remorse from the guilty party, and love but it was worth it. They are both happier now and the honesty, courage and mutual support they used to get to a point where it didn't define their relationship was worthwhile. They now look after their relationship in a way that maybe they hadn't before, they know each other well, it wouldn't be forgiveable again but because the human frailty which got them there was an abject lesson for the guilty party which they will never forget, it is not likely it will ever come up.

You mention being disappointed he doesn't fight for you. But I think someone who feels they deserve to be thrown on the scrap heap would struggle to muster the self esteem to persuade you that he is worth keeping. If he is so appalled at his choice that he has wanted to end his life, how can he argue you need to give him another chance. To me I would be more suspicious of the depths of his remorse if he did.

I agree with the bit about his failure to fight for you. If he's really sorry, then he should want what's best for you, and what's best for you may be to not be with him any more. Only you can decide that. I completely understand why it feels like a kick in the teeth, but him fighting for you could make you feel under pressure to make a hasty decision to take him back. Or is it the case that you're not actually sure if he wants it to work out?
sal1223 · 20/02/2021 20:13

@shreddednips do you know what - I agree , there's been a mixed bag on here of people telling me he should be fighting for me and absolutely not putting pressure on me . He's been quiet and getting on with the house work kids / answering me when I'm asking him stuff . Going to give it a rest for a bit now . Thank you everyone x

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Marinaloves · 20/02/2021 20:15

I don’t think most men /people are morally bankrupt - or blame shifting wankers

I just think they are cowards. Total cowards

ridingonaroomba · 20/02/2021 20:16

@VinylDetective

Would I throw away 17 years of marriage for a single drunken fuck? No but I’m not you.
agree
Marinaloves · 20/02/2021 20:18

@RealisticSketch
I agree with all of that. But why hasn’t he left her to get some space. For her sake
Not forever space. Just a hotel.

shreddednips · 20/02/2021 20:22

I hope you get a good rest and that he continues being useful. Perhaps you could ask him whether he still wants the marriage to give you some peace of mind on that front. If it's the case that he very much wants to be married to you (and faithful) but he's trying not to pressure you into making a decision you're not 100% on, I think that's probably not an unreasonable approach for him to take.

sal1223 · 20/02/2021 20:29

@shreddednips yes that's exactly what's happening , I feel I've got a bit swept up on here with the anger
@Marinaloves I asked him to stay after I'd told him to leave

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SunshineCake · 20/02/2021 20:39

I know if someone who really struggled and they really did knuckle down with all the house and kid related stuff as their way of trying to say sorry, make it up, take the load, give the other space.

partyofsixteen · 20/02/2021 20:42

@VinylDetective

Would I throw away 17 years of marriage for a single drunken fuck? No but I’m not you.
Me neither.

He’s clearly heartbroken at what he’s done.
It’s very easy to sit on here and tell women to leave their partners, but it’s not us living your life OP. Don’t make any rash decisions. Give yourself time to absorb what he’s told you and to come to terms with it.

jammydodgersplease · 20/02/2021 20:46

@Marinaloves I am not sure 3 kids at home with your own distress would be a break?
@sal1223 a lot of what you are saying resonates with me. Dont make any decisions when you are so upset. I dont believe you can know how you really feel yet.... that will take more time. Take care of yourself.

Marinaloves · 20/02/2021 20:51

I think someone leaving for a breather is the best idea. Otherwise nothing really ever gets resolved. Life takes over. Resentment sets in. Nothing changes etc etc

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