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To send DC to nursery 8am - 6pm?

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FTEngineerM · 17/02/2021 07:04

DF has put his opinion out there last night and I ended the call really upset. So then he left a guilt tripping voicemail about how I’ll live to regret this and it’ll be the worst thing I do.

I love my job. I love my child. But it’s been so hard parenting him in a pandemic we’ve decided to send him 2 days a week for 12 weeks until the end of my maternity then up to 5 days a week when he’s 1 and I’m back in FT. So that’ll be some point between 8am and 6pm 5 days a week, not always the whole time, probably 8:30-5 majority of days.
He’s 8m old and started this week, loved it, left smiling and went in smiling at the key worker on the second day. Lots of photo updates throughout the day.

Then I pointed out to DP that everyone has said something about the subject actually not just DF, he was just sharp with his words. All we’ve heard is ‘oo, that’s a long day, he’s so tiny’ ‘ I didn’t know they took babies that small’ ‘ why are you working full time Mr FTEngineerM earns more than enough for you to go part time or quit’ ‘you’ll regret it’ ‘it’s awful to be away from your baby for that long’ ‘think of the bond’

I’m a lot more emotional that usual being pregnant, but we’re taking a barrage of comments from people who firstly don’t have babies right now or at least certainly didn’t have them in a pandemic.

Am i BU to enjoy working and want to work full time when he’s 1? And do 2 days a week until that point? Am I really being selfish for wanting to go to work all day? I’m fed up of every parenting decision we make being scrutinised having to go through ‘the committee’ like we can’t make our own choices. I’ll be back off on maternity leave when DC is 15m old until he’s over 2yo.

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oblada · 19/02/2021 09:20

@KarmaStar

Your choice but I think you may regret missing out on the first words,crawling,walking,and it goes so fast,before you know it they are at play school. You sound like you've already decided up but you will never,ever,get those baby years back.
Should the dads also feel like they're missing out? Why should it be women?

Tbh I've got 4 kids and my first 3 went to nursery pretty much full time early on (4th one is 6m) and I didn't feel I missed out much. A lot of the key milestones actually happened with us, usually on holiday. And surely first steps with you is just as good as the first steps at nursery 3hours earlier. I imagine nurseries don't go blabbing to parents things like that so parents don't feel they're missing out much.

In the OP's case also the LO will only be full time for a bit before she's back on mat leave. Hardly worthy of mention tbh.

Plutoh · 19/02/2021 09:28

Your choice but I think you may regret missing out on the first words,crawling,walking,and it goes so fast,before you know it they are at play school.You sound like you've already decided up but you will never,ever,get those baby years back.

I mean, they usually speak and crawl again, nurseries usually ask if you want to know if they have done it for the first time whilst they are there or not, just say no if you don't want to know and they will soon do it at home too. Not everyone longs for the baby years back, I know many do, but its not too hard to acknowledge that the same isn't true for everyone.

CupOfTeaAlonePlease · 19/02/2021 09:31

If you're both career centric engineers, I really suggest you hire a nanny so your baby has one-on-one attention and a secure attachment to the person she is spending most of her waking time with.

50 hours a week in nursery seems quite mean to me if you can afford to pay for one-on-one care in your home.

My mother returned to her professional job when I was 9 days old. I'm fine, but she used a nanny so my siblings and I had a family unit type care arrangements as opposed to a centre

Karmakarmachameleon · 19/02/2021 09:32

@NoSquirrels

It’s no use - reading, assimilating information and performing some basic maths are clearly beyond some people.

Streamlinerose · 19/02/2021 09:34

How do you, or the nursery for that matter, know that it’s the ‘first’ when you see it?

You don’t. Unless you spend absolutely every second with your child.

The first time you see it is still special, but it’s not the be all and end all is it? It’s not worth losing a career/money over for goodness sake.

With any luck they’ll take more than one step Wink then once everyone catches on people will have to find a new stick to beat some guilt into women with.

Karmakarmachameleon · 19/02/2021 09:39

If you're both career centric engineers, I really suggest you hire a nanny so your baby has one-on-one attention and a secure attachment to the person she is spending most of her waking time with.*

Hire a nanny for 3 months? How would that help with the secure attachment?

Schmoozer · 19/02/2021 09:41

@Letmeout21

I work in a nursery. The majority of children that do 5 long days miss their parents and it’s quite sad. They barely see them.
This.
CupOfTeaAlonePlease · 19/02/2021 09:54

@Karmakarmachameleon where did I say 3 months?

I suggest she hire a nanny permanently if her ultimate plan is to return to full time work.

NoSquirrels · 19/02/2021 10:26

[quote CupOfTeaAlonePlease]@Karmakarmachameleon where did I say 3 months?

I suggest she hire a nanny permanently if her ultimate plan is to return to full time work. [/quote]
But she’s only back at work for 3 months. Then she’s on maternity leave for baby no.2.

It may well be a good plan to hire a nanny for both DC when she ultimately returns to whatever normal working pattern she chooses after maternity leave no. 2. But it would be financially ruinous for most families to hire a nanny just before a second maternity leave...

Karmakarmachameleon · 19/02/2021 10:26

@CupOfTeaAlonePlease

Oh it’s just that as she says in her OP and as has been pointed out approximately 80,000 times since, she’s going off on maternity again 3-4 months max after returning to work and will take her eldest out of FT nursery then. She’s said she isn’t on a massively high salary so it seems reasonable to assume she couldn’t afford to employ a FT nanny while she’s on maternity.

She’s given no indication of her plans for after she returns from her second maternity but she wants to use FT nursery for the 3-4 month period between her return to work and her second maternity.

NoSquirrels · 19/02/2021 10:29

[quote Karmakarmachameleon]@NoSquirrels

It’s no use - reading, assimilating information and performing some basic maths are clearly beyond some people.[/quote]
I know. But still I feel compelled to explain. Will bugger off and hide this thread but it really is the worst. Missing firsts/the baby years are precious/you won’t get them back/babies in nursery miss their mums/why don’t you change your hours/hire a nanny/you’re so selfish to have any time to yourself/etc etc etc. Yeech.

phoenixrosehere · 19/02/2021 10:36

Not everyone longs for the baby years back, I know many do, but its not too hard to acknowledge that the same isn't true for everyone.

I miss the baby years, HOWEVER, I cannot remember exactly when either children had their many firsts unless I recorded them. I could tell you how old they were but that is it. Plus all these people moaning about these firsts OP may miss, it will still be a first to OP even if it’s not the first her child is doing it. She and her husband will see many firsts that their children will have for the rest of their lives. The baby years are just a few of many.

Karmakarmachameleon · 19/02/2021 11:03

@NoSquirrels

Yeah, except you forgot the chorus: ‘Why did you bother having a child?’

fiorentina · 19/02/2021 11:34

Nothing wrong with wanting to continue your career. I know plenty of families where both parents work but have also managed to juggle slightly flexible hours to reduce hours in childcare and also to save sanity rushing about morning and evenings.

I would recommend a nanny when you return to work with both DC. We had one and I found her such a support. Children were happy in our home, played with their own toys but she also took them to playgroups or nursery/preschool as they got older and had the free hours. It helped me as she batch cooked for them, would help keep their rooms clean - just bedding etc, I wouldn’t expect her to clean the house, but worked well for us. Kids still talk fondly of her.

AyrshireAmbler49 · 19/02/2021 11:39

I think all families just have to do what’s right for them.
I wouldn’t have wanted to miss out on the early years so I (literally) wen bankrupt in order to have the first 4 years with my DD.
It’s a personal decision and it sounds like you’re going to be financially secure a lot sooner than I will be. (I will probably never own a home for example)
Just turn down the noise of other people and do what on balance works best for each of you.

FTEngineerM · 19/02/2021 11:57

Oh my god. Well hasn’t this turned into quite something. It STILL just popped up in active!

I’m utterly gobsmacked at some people inability to see logic, and then repeatedly give useless or irrelevant replies. I mean you really are just wasting your time if you say something like ‘if you want someone else to raise your child, go ahead’ if you see 3-4 months of a child’s life as the ONLY opportunity to do what you consider it is to be ‘raising them’ then what an earth do you do for the other 18/21/30 years? Chill out watching Dr Phil with a glass of gin in your southern France retreat? But of course, you’re only saying that because you haven’t read or understood my OP/other replies. That’s why I stopped reading after 20 something pages. The replies were getting effectively useless since there are far more ‘why have you had kids’ and ‘I couldn’t have don’t that I stayed off for ten years’ without context at all, along with replies asking questions or suggesting things I had already covered.

@bookwords I don’t know what you said but judging by the replies it seems incredible vicious and renders any point you were trying to make as pointless competition to make you feel better(?). I’m glad you spent the whole (you haven’t actually clarified how long) of your mat leave tending to every need of your babies, that is great. And your choice.

I can’t go tagging everyone because I just can’t remember all the handles but: thank you to those who see sense in things and are prepared to speak out when something clearly sexist is playing out. It’s not about whether we agree on length of day, that’s why I asked for opinions, I’ve had plenty of useful disagreement. Disagreement isn’t bad/what I wanted to avoid, the whole point of aibu is to get disagreement to possibly adjust your view.

Sexist or just plain rude comments of course, aren’t necessary.

A pp mentioned whether my baby was a ‘nightmare’ or not, I’m not going to call him a nightmare but it’s certainly been challenging. No more than 3 hours sleep from June to October then no more to an 45min - 1.5hr at a time from October to start of February.. I have been battling with allergies, doctors, reducing our diet (was BFing) and utterly exhausted as some stalkers may have seen if looking at my other threads on feeding and tiredness. So 3.5 months of having sleep in roughly 1 hour intervals with no rest-bite (no DC wouldn’t settle for DP, so with covid I really do mean no rest-bite) I LOVED my day on Tuesday. Will I be waiting outside the door at 07:59 every week, no obviously not. I love spending time with my child, as do all of you.

The build up of incomplete tasks after zombie-ing my way through the last 3.5 months was almost cleared on Tuesday in case you want to judge this also.. I gave meter readings and had a £273 refund G&e and £39 water, switched provider for g&e, saved my monstera leaf from the impending doom that was the constricting cable tie, watered our cacti’s, removed tiles that had been sat in the kitchen since the tiler let us down in jan, removed masking tape from a paint job I did over Christmas (!!!), completed an assignment which id usually have to do when DC slept, sorted out an office space for future wfh and oh my god my skirting boards - no longer dusty. I then enjoyed a relaxing peaceful cup of coffee.

Maybe next time I’ll have a duvet day, I’ll post about it to cause even more controversy.

I was reading a thread just last night from a struggling mother and someone actually recommended sending their DC to nursery whilst she was on mat leave. Reading that and others on this thread I am far more comfortable in knowledge that the decision isn’t unique or remarkable.

The ‘you’ll miss the firsts’ is such a stupid argument, you cannot possibly know that when your child does something it’s the first time unless you are physically attached to them 24/7, as I said upthread, the nursery doesn’t know, the camera can’t catch the firsts unless you get DC to do it again.. even that memory isn’t actually the ‘first’. People use that as a way of guilting the mother (only the mother) into conforming into an outdated system of sexism. If you want to be a SAHP absolutely fine and you’re free to do as you please without judgement , but it’s not so you can see ‘firsts’ it’s because you love spending time with your DC and it’s nothing to do with missing something that you have no certainty over. I cried when DC stood up himself this morning, I don’t know if it was the first time, it’s the first time I’d seen it. It was special. It wasn’t on camera neither will it make it to his baby book, but I loved that moment and I probably won’t forget.

TLDR: I’ve loved the replies that were for our setup, I’ve loved the replies that said ‘I couldn’t do that, we did this instead have a think about it’ but some really should be ashamed that they’re so incredibly sexist and illogical.

You can all decide for yourself which you are 😊

Reading the recent replies, @Frazzled99 @Karmakarmachameleon @Chewingle @NoSquirrels and others of course than you for reiterating my posts for others to understand. We will certainly be considering a nanny after DC2 has arrived and that maternity leave ends.

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Chewingle · 19/02/2021 12:01

Superb response OP

ladybirdlamp · 19/02/2021 12:27

Love your response OP! Glad you've been able to see past some of the really hurtful and unnecessary comments on this thread.

I was reading a thread just last night from a struggling mother and someone actually recommended sending their DC to nursery whilst she was on mat leave. Reading that and others on this thread I am far more comfortable in knowledge that the decision isn’t unique or remarkable.

This is what I find odd too, it really isn't that unusual at all in my experience and I'm sure I've seen other threads on MN which have gone completely the other way. MN is a weird place sometimes and the first few responses seem to set the tone of the whole thread.

Devlesko · 19/02/2021 12:38

I agree with your df, it is a long day and no way would I have done it.
But we are all different if it suits you and dh then it's up to you, as you are the parents.
We both went pt, dropped the income and lived accordingly as we didn't want childcare.

Karmakarmachameleon · 19/02/2021 12:41

Great to read your response OP. Glad you had a good day on Tuesday.

Best of luck with your new baby, and with your career. Also - I meant to say this earlier, but forgot - congratulations on doing so well in a famously male-dominated industry. We need more women in STEM!

TolkiensFallow · 19/02/2021 13:44

I’m really glad the hurtful responses haven’t impacted you OP. Your plan sounds fine.

We aren’t all cut out for being stay at home mums. I know I’m brilliant when I’ve got a bit of balance with work, family and down time but without the balance I’d be a crap parent.

Also, my pension is important to me!

shenanigans5 · 19/02/2021 14:29

YABU for having done so much whilst your DS was in nursery. Next time spend 4 hours on your arse eating bacon sandwiches. It’s hard with a baby and even harder when pregnant so look after yourself a bit.

Ninkanink · 19/02/2021 14:38

@FTEngineerM brilliant update from you!

What a load of physical and mental admin/clutter clearing you managed to do! I’m sure it will have worked wonders for your well-being.

Definitely have a duvet day, or something equally relaxing, next time. Self care is extremely important and martyrdom on the altar of mummyhood does no one any favours, least of all one’s children.

Frazzled99 · 19/02/2021 14:40

So glad to read your reply OP. I've read all 800!!! It's been highly frustrating and just highlighted some terrible outdated views on mothers and careers. My DD1 was a 'challenging baby' (ok I lie....a complete frigging nightmare!) and I wish I'd started her at CM slightly earlier (she went at 11 months and I was back to work 3 wees later). In comparison DD2 is a dream but I'm still looking forward to going back to work and getting some support. I'm a much better parent with the balance of work and childcare too. And as you may have read DD1 is still with CM despite being on mat leave with DD2. I have zero regrets. She's thriving. She comes home saying hew words and I've never once felt sad that I missed it or didn't teach her that word, but instead proud of her and grateful to CM. All the best with your return to work and birth of DC2. X

FTEngineerM · 19/02/2021 19:23

Thanks everyone I am feeling more energetic I must say!

@Karmakarmachameleon why thank you! I agree, more women and mothers in STEM🥳 my company Eng Dept is male dominated it’s changing elsewhere so it’ll probably filter through Smile

@shenanigans5 I will be for the next one, what a fantastic idea.

I love the dedication @Frazzled99, I’m glad you said DC2 wasn’t as challenging as DC1 we were discussing that this evening, we can hope Grin. That is really great about DC1 still going, a few have said that’s a good idea we’ll be able to afford it for the first few months for sure so if it works out well maybe we’ll find funds to continue a day or two a week. I’ve been looking into childminders too as a PP said something about being introverted and not enjoying loud rooms and they were totally right I’d bloody hate that! Maybe a CM would be better long term. Anyway, nothing’s set in stone. Thank you for the help and sharing 😍

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