What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

She'd beat me every time as she's a much better fighter than me. I am physically stronger though. Mostly an untrained fighter will not beat a capable fighter regardless of sex unless there's a serious weight imbalance or a lucky shot

You mean the lucky shot that packs a punch with 160% more strength behind it connecting with a skull that is thinner and more fragile than yours. An elite woman will always be thoroughly trounced by any elite man in any sport needing speed, strength etc.

I couldn't beat Serena Williams says overweight couch potato man is not an argument to disprove the fact that Ms Williams would tank against all the male top flight tennis players.

@Chanjer

I don't agree with mixed competitive fighting but as the dp of a fighter alot of you really undersell women's ability in this sport

I'm also trained and me and dp are same weight category and have sparred/fought before

She'd beat me every time as she's a much better fighter than me. I am physically stronger though. Mostly an untrained fighter will not beat a capable fighter regardless of sex unless there's a serious weight imbalance or a lucky shot

Tell you what: get a male friend of the same ability as you to punch you with all his strength, then get your DP to do the same. Observe the difference.

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

I would rather take a free hit from any of my untrained male friends (of our size) rather than dp. There's alot of technique to delivering a decent punch

Sorry I misread that btw

Like I said I'm not defending the guy fighting at this level i just think there's many itt that are pushing the idea that skill isn't so important, which I disagree with

You've misunderstood.

I am pushing 20+ years of my own exercise physiology expertise, lecturing etc, based on hundreds of years of research

Much as it pains me, as a feminist, there are physical inequalities that are solely due to the sex of female bodies.

It's not sad, misogynistic or playing the victim to acknowledge them. It's just science.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Had the operations!

Oh dear! Facial feminisation band boobs yes. But, as seems to need repeating regularly, 95+% of transwomen retain their penis.

And transmen cannot complete in male sports as it is too dangerous for them as, regardless if any testosterone field changes, they are still at a great disadvantage. Male sport has recognised this and taken steps to protect everyone from being injured, or being the person who badly injures another.

Conversely the same hormone therapy means transmen do have issues playing in women's sports, because of doping, not because of how they present.

So you see, men's sports can say no based on safety. It's only women's sports that cannot!

THIS ^

Shows how bliddy ridiculous it is!

Men can hurt women, so we won't have women in the men's sports.

Men can hurt women, but the women in women's sports will just have to put up with it

@Chanjer

Sorry I misread that btw

Like I said I'm not defending the guy fighting at this level i just think there's many itt that are pushing the idea that skill isn't so important, which I disagree with

If skill could overcome women's power and speed disadvantages, mixed sex competitions would be common in non-contact sports. After all, if it's just a question of skill, why can't women do as well as men?

So why don't we have mixed non-combat sports? Do you think it's because women in those other sports lack the skills to outdo men, or is it perhaps because they lack the power and speed?

And, frankly, you have got a fucking nerve to come on here mansplain to women about what level of disadvantage we experience. We live with it every day - not just in sports, but in the precautions we all have to take every day to keep safe, in a world where half the population is stronger and faster than us.

Brava MissLucy

Can attest that if I am going to get punched full strength by a female karate black belt or a male karate black belt, I want it to be the woman who hits me.

I've been punched by male white belts, btw. They may be on their first week and have minimal technique, but they still punch really, really hard.

[quote SummerBlondey]@Syeknom

"Lauren's" crime will have been recorded as a crime by a female. Which makes my blood boil.[/quote]
that makes me spit, too.

Since self-ID became a "thing", the number of "women" committing serious crimes has rocketed.

[quote andyoldlabour]I always think this example from the World Athletics Mixed Relay final hammers home the differences between elite female and male runners. The key moment starts at 8:00.

[/quote] Thank you for posting this labour

I\d been searching for it to post but couldn't find it.

It says more than a 1,000 words.

It's funny, when I see the photos of the women and transwomen athletes, I can't put my finger on a feature that tells me who is who. A PP mentioned 'capped delts', which I had to look up. It definitely isn't those!

The women are curvier, not in the boobs and bum sense but in the way their bodies fit together. Everything curves relative to everything else. The men are straight.

Capped muscles are like ripped or toned muscles. Just a word used by people who are into strength workouts but don't have the physiology behind them.

Toned always annoyed me because it so quickly became ubiquitous. I ended my lecturing career having to argue with students that it really didn't mean what they thought it did.

It really has nothing to do with muscle bulk!

I have decided that I feel quite strongly that not competing at top levels might just be something that people changing gender might just have to put up with - until the point where sufficient people have done so to be able to create a competitive field for transgender categories., which is the only real level playing field to be found.

We all have to compromise sometimes. It feels like the barriers to transwomen participating in many women's sports are so high that it might need to become one of the factors someone has to weigh up when thinking about transition - will this mean giving up competitive sport? That may feel unbearable for some, but difficult decisions are part of all our lives.

We can't carry on throwing women and girls under the bus just so transwomen can have everything they want. I suspect the reality of being transgender is that you actually get very little you want when it comes down to it, but that's another reason to consider mental health support when transitioning rather than trying to bend the rest of the world into an unrealisable ambition of a life.

I think I've mansplained myself very badly here.

I don't agree with mixed sex competition at this level, I see this person as a man in woman's sport. I don't agree with it at this level because for someone looking to make their career in the ring you're gonna fight who your manager tells you to. You could drop out but it would be detrimental to your career and you shouldn't have to make that choice. I don't agree with men entering women's whatever sports, not just fighting. Imagine being the standout female athlete of your time aside from the fact there's a relatively mediocre bloke getting all the golds.

I don't disagree with it because it is a man fighting or competing against a woman. If people want to do that for whatever reason then fine I don't care and it generally doesn't happen at a level with a platform

I would rather take a free hit from any of my untrained male friends (of our size) rather than dp. There's alot of technique to delivering a decent punch

What's that got to do with a trained male fighting against a trained female in the ring . Obviously the male has a huge strength / stamina advantage over women. Same in any sport.

What's that got to do with a trained male fighting against a trained female in the ring hmm

As I said in the post below I misread what pp had said

Over 700 comments in and I can't believe there's still any debate that a man hitting a woman and breaking her skull is wrong 🤷🏻‍♀️

I said what I said! 😂

There is a lot of technique and I could corkscrew my fist into your kidney with the best of them, doesn’t stop me being knocked out flat by a punch delivered by an untrained man

I think I've mansplained myself very badly here. I think it was when you got hung up on technique and expertise.

You saw it a maligning female athletes who train hard

Women see past it as if we rely on it against a man we still get hurt. Ask any of us how we know that?

And then ask yourself why you didn't undertsand it first time round?

Not to belabour a point but it will be because you are male and don't have to fear every other male when in a vulnerable position. You can safely discount 50% of the population as a threat immmediately and then % of those, males, remaining.

Women don't have that 'luxury'!

And that is outside your lived experience. So isn't something you set great store by. That's not blaming you, it's just human nature not to internalise something that has no bearing on your life!

As I said in the post below I misread what pp had said

Maybe you should stop and read what's on the page rather than quickly jumping in to mansplain to women where you consider they have got it wrong. Comments like this are not helpful and, whether it is deliberate or not, undermine women's safety.

I don't agree with mixed competitive fighting but as the dp of a fighter alot of you really undersell women's ability in this sport

There's been enough gaslighting and underplaying of this situation by trans activists and allies, and the only people who are going to seriously suffer as a result of this, who already are suffering, are women and girls.

Be an ally to women and be part of the solution not part of the problem.

Not to belabour a point but it will be because you are male and don't have to fear every other male when in a vulnerable position. You can safely discount 50% of the population as a threat immmediately and then % of those, males, remaining

Yes this. I feel utterly resentful that so many places aren't open to me if I am alone, walking home through the fields at night and taking a shortcut, having to make sure I have the money for a taxi, or taking the extra long journey home, sometimes an extra mile or more, under streetlights, because of men. Walking with keys as a weapon in my hand, not that it would do much good, and being hyperaware of cars pulling up near me or people around me. And having to teach my teenage daughter to do the same. To be aware. To be afraid. Because of men. Men do not get this because they do not generally have this problem. And to brush it off lightly with comments about female trained fighters being able to take on untrained male fighters is crap. I spoke to my 6.5foot DH yesterday who is not a trained fighter, but is very strong, who said that a female fighter may well get a trained shot in, but his overall strength if he punched her would send her flying. It's just a fact. And a poor message to give out to women, if insinuating that we were all trained fighters we'd be ok. Chances are, we won't be.

It’s not just about fighting. It’s the majority of sport. Even something traditional like golf where you would think men and women would be evenly matched. There are women’s tees, which are shorter to the green and an extended handicap system for women.

My partner and I are both mid 50s. I’ve been running (jogging) for the last 10 years. I’ve always exercised, pilates, mountain biking etc. He has done nothing from leaving school at 16. When we met I took him out running. I was stronger and faster than him. It felt good. Gradually he has got faster than me. Now he isn’t fast for a average unfit man but he is faster than me, a fitter than average woman. It really irritates me. But perhaps I’m just not trying hard enough 😂

She'd beat me every time as she's a much better fighter than me

I suspect you've never hit her your absolute hardest!

Mostly an untrained fighter will not beat a capable fighter regardless of sex unless there's a serious weight imbalance or a lucky shot

Missing the point so badly here - do you think the trans MMA fighters don't train? It's just some random trans woman in the ring who has never trained as a fighter - you know, they just pick them up outside Asda and ask if they fancy a scrap?