What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

This is just awful.

I've just seen powerfully built sprinters before. I'm assume that that's what you're using as "evidence" because the pictures are too low res to make out any significant facial features.

And you typed that up so soon after the excellent GCSE biology graphic showing the inherent dfferences of every male and every female, regardles of build, height, weight, ability, training programme etc.

Low res pictures make it MORE obvious.

I'm wondering whether @DedlyMedally is a bloke? Because as a woman, I could tell instantly which 2 people were born male.

Yes, I didn’t bother answering. I even did the same google search as suggested and I figured that that poster is probably willfully ignoring the cues or simply cannot see the body differences, the posture and gait due to hips and pelvis (actual hips).

I have sight difficulties myself and I have noticed that at a distance I can usually accurately detect the sex of the person coming towards me despite seeing just a fuzzy image. I think that many people like to ignore that humans still have some of our primitive programming in place.

DedlyMedally has shared with us that they can deadlift 2.5 times their bodyweight.

These two charts show what percentage of your bodyweight you can expect to lift, broken down by your sex, personal bodyweight, and years of practice weightlifting.

I think that many people like to ignore that humans still have some of our primitive programming in place

I completely agree with this. I do wonder, whether for women it is heightened somewhat, because we have to be constantly aware of what threat is in the vicinity. It's hardwired I think.

Feel free to share why female footballers are inferior to male footballers? Since you're such an expert on the sport

Hey @Smallgoon I'll indulge you and take yur question at face value

Male bodies have stonger bone density, muscle mass and a lower percentage of body fat, even in elite athletes.

Male bodies have larger lung capacity, airways and upper body strength, even when compared to women of the same size and stature. This is important in a game that requires great stamina and the ability to stay upright following a crushing tackle.

Male bodies have longer limbs stronger bones, wider shoulders and narrower hips. This means that they can run faster, turn and counter attack quicker and tackle harder.

Male bodies have larger, more soild skulls and more powerfull legs muscles meaning they can jump higher and head the ball more powerfully.

There are many more little differences that I haven't mentioned but these are the main ones.

If yu ever watch a women's football match in comparison to a man's football match you will notice there is a big difference, men's football tends to be much faster and more physical and women's tends to be more tactical, although it can still be very physical.

Male and female bodies are very different this is a matter of fact and treating us like we're the same can have devestating effects on our heath, safety and wellbeing.

I put it to you that you do female athletes a great disservice when you immediately write off their ability, and claim they can't compete against their male counterparts, on the basis that "men are biologically superior". Strength and speed are not a prerequisite in every sport.

And I'll pass it straight back and explain that no matter what you want to feel women are, as a cohort, less able to compete against men in any activity that requires strength and speed.

You can waffle on, misdirect, mither about sports that don't require those attributes but if you stopped to think, look at what is actually happening in the real world, you would realise that in many of them men already compete directly against women, especially at grass roots level. Many sports like rugby have an age cut off, when tag rugby is the norm boys and girls play and train together. But there is a cut off and it is based in science. Thich plainly states that aronbd puberty boys outstrip girls in speed and strength, making it unsafe to continue mixed particiaption into the full contact game.

Sports where men compete directly against women, and do not win all the medals all the time include:
Horse events of any kind
Mixed doubles tennis
Mixed double badminton
Some ice skating
Sailing, any event
The luge
Bike racing - September 2017 20 year old Ana Carrasco, became the first woman to win a world championship

Coming on line after years of male dominated nay saying
Snooker
Shooting
Archery
Darts

Becoming more female domminated now training programmes are fully tailored for the female body
Ironman - or person!
All the endurance sports in fact - women's bodies are better designed for the much, much more aerobic sports

But no sport that relies on speed and/or strength because of the inherent inequity. And no sport that requires contact because - biology. Physiology is. You can't change that because you want to.

And that's why the sensible woman. no matter how well trained in any martial art or self defence techniques, knows only too well that if a man approximating her size decides to attack her she had better run and scream because getting nto any physical tussle will, in the majority of instance, end to her detriment.

And that's not adopting a victim mindset. That's being realistic!

So, maybe when you've had a think. Come back and ask this exercise physiologist some more questions...

@334bu

Oddly enough my son said the same thing when I said that transmen often pass. He said that women don't spot them when men would.

Now that’s interesting. And very relevant to a discussion in another thread, ie. the perennial toilets/bathrooms issue.

Transmen who “pass” (at least to female eyes) prefer to use The Gents, feel safe there and don’t get attacked - despite men being able to “clock” them as female/trans.

Yet their “trans siblings” are adamant that they must use The Ladies because all those nasty men in The Gents will attack/rape/kill them, either because they “pass” too well or because “transphobia”.

@PotholeParadies

DedlyMedally has shared with us that they can deadlift 2.5 times their bodyweight.

These two charts show what percentage of your bodyweight you can expect to lift, broken down by your sex, personal bodyweight, and years of practice weightlifting.

Now, now! Don't go showing us bloody statistics. Spoilsport (literally!)

I haven't had time to RTFT but I am one of 97% of respondents who agree with you, OP.
It's utterly horrific. It's not a sport - it's socially approved violence.
It's a man beating up a woman, and being able to smile about it.
It's utterly sick.

@PotholeParadies

DedlyMedally has shared with us that they can deadlift 2.5 times their bodyweight.

These two charts show what percentage of your bodyweight you can expect to lift, broken down by your sex, personal bodyweight, and years of practice weightlifting.

Ahhhh!!! I see.

@SummerBlondey

I'm guessing the one in the middle, simply because they're the focus of the picture but there are no obvious physical signs that any of them were "born male

I'm wondering whether @DedlyMedally is a bloke? Because as a woman, I could tell instantly which 2 people were born male.

We were on holiday last year, and a "woman" at our hotel was obviously born male. The instant that I looked at her face, I knew. The eyes, the jawline....my DH didn't notice, and actually didn't agree with me. Fair enough, she had a nice figure, boobs done, lovely dress, nice hair etc. But I just knew. Didn't think much more of it. Got chatting to another couple one night, and they had had the exact same conversation - woman knew instantly, her DH wasn't sure. I think women just know when they are looking at someone of the opposite sex, pretty dress or not, we just know.

I had that experience travelling in Thailand.

A bunch of us went out on a boat trip, & were joined by a group of locals, including one very glamorous couple - chap in his 40s, younger dp.

All the women in the group immediately clocked that the dp was also male - despite the feminine clothes, hair, makeup & breasts, & also the fact that like many Thais they were slightly built & delicate of feature.

We didn't discuss it obviously (it would have been rude, they were a perfectly nice friendly couple & we were all having lunch & fishing together) until that evening when someone mentioned it over dinner.

All the blokes in the group were completely shocked. They hadn't noticed a thing, other than that this person was gorgeous! Yet every single woman, independently, had spotted something that said 'not female', & had then quietly confirmed it to herself by observing things like gait, hand & feet size etc.

Winesalot Fascinating charts. I love that site. Here's a chart to explain the vocab for the uninitated.

If I tell you that I could deadlift my own bodyweight after 2 months lifting, (but with other experience in resistance training), you should be able to work out my sex and guess my starting bodyweight range.

All the blokes in the group were completely shocked. They hadn't noticed a thing, other than that this person was gorgeous! Yet every single woman, independently, had spotted something that said 'not female', & had then quietly confirmed it to herself by observing things like gait, hand & feet size etc.

Recognising someone’s sex is far less important to men’s personal safety and survival. Women have honed the skill over millennia because we have to for our safety (and that if our children)

Has anyone come across the rapper Zuby (hobby weightlifter) who made a rather good point by smashing the female weightlifting record while identifying as a woman. I think he’s waiting for his entry into the record books

We have sex segregated sports for a very good reason based in fact and science. We should not undermine that segregation for anyone.

Oops forgot Zuby’s proof of his stunning achievement:-))

PotholeParadies

Science. Gotta love it!

@VioletAlder This is really interesting!

@gardenbird48

Recognising someone’s sex is far less important to men’s personal safety and survival. Women have honed the skill over millennia because we have to for our safety (and that if our children)

Yes, definitely!

My DH was listening to the radio the other day, and they were talking about women's safety. The presenter asked one lady, what she would do differently, if men had a curfew of 9pm. The lady replied that she would go to the beach and look at the stars. It completely blew my DH away. As a huge guy, he never has to risk assess things in the way that women do. Women are denied many experiences, due to safety. Bit off topic.....

SummerBlondey

Right one topic.

Whether posters think women have a super power and can fight males is actually the topic.

That they can’t fight most adult or even pubescent males unless the woman has defensive move training in any form is also pertinent.

That they can’t fight most adult or even pubescent males unless the woman has defensive move training in any form is also pertinent.

And even if they fight, unless it is a lucky and well placed hit, the likelihood of getting away is low.

And even if they fight, unless it is a lucky and well placed hit, the likelihood of getting away is low.

First rule of self defence for women? The old much debated "Don't put yourself in a vulnerable position". Anti feminist it might be, but you can be alert to your surroundings

Second rule of self defence for women? If you can RUN SCREAN RUN

Third rule of self defence for women? Ignore all the Krav Magna type 'systems' that omit the second rule!

Recognising someone’s sex is far less important to men’s personal safety and survival. Women have honed the skill over millennia because we have to for our safety (and that if our children)

Yes, exactly - & it's automatic & instinctive.

There was absolutely nothing threatening about this person. They were charming. None of us had any reason to be in 'identifying a threat' mode.

All the same, every single man in the group saw a beautiful 'woman' in their late 20s with a rather older, pleasant looking but unremarkable bloke & basically thought: 'lucky guy - wonder how he managed to pull her!' whilst every single woman was immediately aware that the younger half of the couple was a very pretty young male.

It's baked in pattern recognition.

I'm really bad at faces. I have a poor memory. When I walk my dog, I can see a bundled up figure in the distance, walking around a muddy country park in wellies, hat, coat. I know whether they are male or female. Very occasionally I'm uncertain at first glance, but a more careful look makes it clear.

I don't always get still photos right, and the tilted head/hand beneath chin pose is a bit of a puzzler. I occasionally see women doing it and wonder if they are actually men.

I don't always get still photos right, and the tilted head/hand beneath chin pose is a bit of a puzzler. I occasionally see women doing it and wonder if they are actually men

Yes!!!

I've snorted tea and coffee so often at the head tilt, chin on hand pictures that I always look twice now. It has made me suspect every woman I see doing of being male!

And I object to that, to having a second look because of a sexualised pose!

Or should that be 'genderised'?