What do we think about THIS....Trigger warning - Graphic Image **title edited by MNHQ

[Nothappywiththis]

I’m not in support of thus. AIBU??

Lauren Jeska is in a women's prison.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Foston_Hall

🏍️ or 🚵 How can we possibly know the difference? It's so difficult!!

Why would the male footballer outperform the female footballer?

There is no guarantee that an untrained male footballer would out perform a female at elite standard. However, if you even took the time to read any of the studies linked up, or even just the boysvswomen website, you would not need to ask that question.

If you are taking about the best 5ff 6 male footballer, than yes, the likelihood of them outperforming a female of the same height and weight is almost certain. Just read the studies.

And if you can’t be arsed. The. Google either the USA or Australian women’s football teams being beaten by school boys.

Now tell us why you think the female footballer would beat that world champion you referred to? What advantages do you think she may have over him?

Why would the male footballer outperform the female footballer?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

I don't actually care about the science behind males outperforming females (or not).

I just want transwomen to stay out of female sports - their presence brings nothing of benefit to females whatsoever. Every transwoman who takes a place in female sports is depriving a Woman of that place and that's just wrong. It's not complicated.

[quote Hepsie]Why would the male footballer outperform the female footballer?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning[/quote]
Call it trolling all you want. I put it to you that you do female athletes a great disservice when you immediately write off their ability, and claim they can't compete against their male counterparts, on the basis that "men are biologically superior". Strength and speed are not a prerequisite in every sport.

But I guess I'll now be accused of inferring that "women who are assaulted, beaten and raped by men could in fact fight them off if they wanted to"

Call it trolling all you want. I put it to you that you do female athletes a great disservice when you immediately write off their ability, and claim they can't compete against their male counterparts, on the basis that "men are biologically superior". Strength and speed are not a prerequisite in every sport.

Just a prerequisite in most sports unfortunately. Denying biological reality does nobody any favours and just makes those who pretend it doesn't matter in sport seem either incredibly foolish or that their pretence is a way to further an agenda which has hee haw to do with fairness.

@Winesalot I will read the links. They've been bookmarked.

Hardly fair to compare female footballers to Messi when 95% of male football stars don't have his ability.

@334bu

*Call it trolling all you want. I put it to you that you do female athletes a great disservice when you immediately write off their ability, and claim they can't compete against their male counterparts, on the basis that "men are biologically superior". Strength and speed are not a prerequisite in every sport.*

Just a prerequisite in most sports unfortunately. Denying biological reality does nobody any favours and just makes those who pretend it doesn't matter in sport seem either incredibly foolish or that their pretence is a way to further an agenda which has hee haw to do with fairness.

Feel free to share why female footballers are inferior to male footballers? Since you're such an expert on the sport.

Feel free to share why female footballers are inferior to male footballers? Since you're such an expert on the sport

Now you are just being silly

Female world champion team beaten by an under15 boys team......enough said!

My husband works in elite sport. His job is to bring them to the peak of strength fitness and power for competition. Because at that level every athlete is talented and skilled in their sport. Who actually wins medals comes down in the end to who is strongest fitest and most powerful.

He has worked in countless sports, athletics, badminton, hokey, cycling, to name a few, with men and women. He has coached Olympic medalists and world champions. He often speaks about the amazing strength of his female athletes and their absolute grit and determination and how hard they push to make those gains. (he also speaks about the sexism the have to face down every single day but that's another story).

But not once in 20 years has he coached a woman who was or who became stronger or faster or more powerful than their male counterpart.

Its not saying that women are inferior. It's saying they are different. That they aren't men. It's stating fact.
Its physiology 101.

MMA is very different from boxing in ways that I find problematic. There tend not to be governing bodies in the traditional sense. Instead, competitions are organised by commercial entities that contract with the fighters and do the promoting.

There are conflicts of interest galore and the rules are more lax (on how you make the weight, being able to keep attacking an opponent who has gone down, not having to stop to staunch blood etc).

It generates huge amounts of money for the operating companies, but the fighters are paid less than boxers.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that this person was allowed to compete against women. The whole thing is exploitative and about brutal spectacle in a way that makes boxing look positively sedate.

If it is to continue in this country we should reject the current American style set-up and require a proper independent governing body with rules that protect fighters (including banning trans women from fighting women). Until then it should not be broadcast here.

Hardly fair to compare female footballers to Messi when 95% of male football stars don't have his ability.

Eh? You are the one who was stating that we are doing women a disservice by following the science and believing that women are ‘inferior’ (your words) biologically.

You are the poster that pointed out height did not matter. We countered by telling you facts and that even if the male and female were the same height and weight the male would have the highest likelihood of winning. Particularly if you took in other factors as has also been pointed out like coaching etc.

(In fact many elite women’s football teams have to supplement their income whereas males get paid well and can sustain their families on their fees)

Did you even fact check us when we said that the best women’s football teams are beaten by school boys? Not even the international representative teams for the age group.

So, we are not saying women are inferior at sport. We are saying it is inherently unfair and unsafe that women have to compete against males. We are saying given women’s biology they perform at just as higher standard as men but will rarely outperform men. To believe anything else is to naively believe women have superhero powers.

So no, posting real images that show the difference in physicality of these males who are selected to represent women based on gender and not biology is highlighting that those people already have advantages over the women they have effectively pushed out of that position.

The real live cases are also showing you that often these males who take women’s positions are also much older than women in the teams. Another glaring disparity! Which women’s sports star can be a mediocre performer in one category and then change to a lower category and become a champion?

Why can a mediocre male 40 something weightlifter win at an international level and take a medal from a young woman? Please name ONE woman in history who has done that? Tell us why this is fair?

Why can a mediocre male 30 something cyclist win at an international level and take a place from a younger woman? Please name ONE woman in history who has gone from being never heard of in one category and champion when they start competing in another ? Tell us why this is fair?

You’re ok with women being pushed out of these positions because why?

Women are not trying hard enough? Women should just be nicer? Women training from a young age to fulfill their dreams shouldn’t bother to expect a fair competition because a male who believes they are a woman should be indulged in their fantasy to the point they can take a woman’s place in the event despite scientists stating that ‘nope, just dropping the T hardly negates those benefits from having enough T available at puberty to give massive advantages.’

Perhaps you should actually start to back up your assertions why you think it is of no concern that males are included in women’s sports.

Smallgoon, that corner you're backing yourself into is getting smaller and smaller. I really hope that you've had the opportunity to read the myriad studies linked to on this thread now.

Women are not 'inferior' to men in sport, just different because, you know, biology. That doesn't change because transwomen take hormones or women train twice as hard.

As Montysma points out above, it's not just the physical differences that women have to deal with, but the sexism as well - it's only recently (1967) that the first woman to officially compete in the Boston marathon, Katherine Switzer, was assaulted by one of the organisers for daring to take part. Women's football was banned in Scotland in 1881 after a riot broke out amongst spectators at a match - considering the regular violence at football matches played by men's teams it's a wonder men's football wasn't banned too .

Women's sport at all levels will disappear if this ridiculousness is allowed to continue, and most people see that, and recognise how wrong it is.

And I say mediocre because in many of the instances we are posting pictures of, these males are mediocre performers in their own sex class. They were often playing before they transitioned.

The cricketer in Kent is STILL playing men cricket, and STILL playing at an average level. Why is that person lauded now for being a champion amongst women?

Kathrine not Katherine.

@Winesalot

So no, posting real images that show the difference in physicality of these males who are selected to represent women based on gender and not biology is highlighting that those people already have advantages over the women they have effectively pushed out of that position.

The real live cases are also showing you that often these males who take women’s positions are also much older than women in the teams. Another glaring disparity! Which women’s sports star can be a mediocre performer in one category and then change to a lower category and become a champion?

Why can a mediocre male 40 something weightlifter win at an international level and take a medal from a young woman? Please name ONE woman in history who has done that? Tell us why this is fair?

Why can a mediocre male 30 something cyclist win at an international level and take a place from a younger woman? Please name ONE woman in history who has gone from being never heard of in one category and champion when they start competing in another ? Tell us why this is fair?

You’re ok with women being pushed out of these positions because why?

Women are not trying hard enough? Women should just be nicer? Women training from a young age to fulfill their dreams shouldn’t bother to expect a fair competition because a male who believes they are a woman should be indulged in their fantasy to the point they can take a woman’s place in the event despite scientists stating that ‘nope, just dropping the T hardly negates those benefits from having enough T available at puberty to give massive advantages.’

Perhaps you should actually start to back up your assertions why you think it is of no concern that males are included in women’s sports.

@Smallgoon

I would be genuinely interested to hear your thoughts on the points raised in this post. I don't understand how someone can deny these cases and the cases raised in the rest of this thread, it confuses me that someone can do so.

And I say mediocre because in many of the instances we are posting pictures of, these males are mediocre performers in their own sex class.

Exactly ! Doubt very much that the Connecticut athletes would even have been picked for their own sex class.

Exactly ! Doubt very much that the Connecticut athletes would even have been picked for their own sex class.

Unless they’d had a massive performance improvement they wouldn’t have been. They had competed the year before and did not even place in their races.

Feel free to share why female footballers are inferior to male footballers? Since you're such an expert on the sport

Well, male runners are inferior to greyhounds, but the men don’t seem to care that they are literally worse than dogs, according to your logic.

I wonder why it doesn’t bother them 🤔

I'm guessing the one in the middle, simply because they're the focus of the picture but there are no obvious physical signs that any of them were "born male

I'm wondering whether @DedlyMedally is a bloke? Because as a woman, I could tell instantly which 2 people were born male.

We were on holiday last year, and a "woman" at our hotel was obviously born male. The instant that I looked at her face, I knew. The eyes, the jawline....my DH didn't notice, and actually didn't agree with me. Fair enough, she had a nice figure, boobs done, lovely dress, nice hair etc. But I just knew. Didn't think much more of it. Got chatting to another couple one night, and they had had the exact same conversation - woman knew instantly, her DH wasn't sure. I think women just know when they are looking at someone of the opposite sex, pretty dress or not, we just know.

Oddly enough my son said the same thing when I said that transmen often pass. He said that women don't spot them when men would.

@Syeknom

"Lauren's" crime will have been recorded as a crime by a female. Which makes my blood boil.

I'm not even replying to @smallgoon again. It's just pointless. They are either trolling or can't read the many many statistics that PP have been kind enough to spoon feed her with.