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Lodger eviction update

229 replies

Hellogoodpeople · 14/02/2021 11:48

I just wanted to thank everyone who gave me advice in my last thread about some lodger issues I'd been having.

This included long running issues with one being generally slightly hostile in the full two years she's lived with me, the second lodger being upset that she doesn't have a full floor to herself (which I never gave the impression she'd have and she's paying a standard room rate, not full floor rent), overhearing general bitching and moaning about me and the cat, and then culminating with one lodger being completely livid (shouting and literally snarling at me) for siting at the kitchen table for a quick chat to a recruiter. (For context I sit there once in the blue moon but she felt this should be space reserved for her and the other lodger due to the fact that I have an additional work from home space and don't pay rent)... While I don't pay rent - in the flat that I own - I obviously pay the mortgage, bills and expenses.

The bitching and moaning about me that I partially overheard was apparently just about me sitting at the kitchen table that one time. But the fact that they were comfortable launching straight into a vitriolic moan about me, made me suspect they've had a couple of conversations like this before. For context, I'd say I'm fairly easy to live with. I don't have house rules and I'm fairly friendly and supportive. It's always been important to me that the lodgers feel comfortable in my home and that it is also their home.

Unfortunately when I posted the thread, someone thought I was a troll (due to someone not believing that one of my lodgers would tell me about being in a deposit dispute with her previous landlord and the reason why) and mumset deleted the thread. They've since realised I'm not a troll (I'm a regular poster but changed my user name for this thread) but I requested for the original thread to remain deleted as it contained personal details.

However, I wanted to post an update and say thank you for the feedback and also to the person who posted the assertiveness booklet which I've been reading and have found useful.

So for my update... a couple of days after I created the thread I did give both lodgers notice. I do feel a bit sad about the second lodger leaving as I mostly enjoyed having her stay. But I'd just reached my tolerance limit with the first one and felt I should ask both to leave especially as they have become close.

It's been a little frosty, especially with the first lodger (the one who told me not to sit at the kitchen table) but so far so good.

There has been a bit of oddness which I'd usually brush off but I'm now reading a bit of an eff-you to me (shutting themselves in the kitchen with loud music, leaving oil or something similar on the kitchen floor, smearing some sort of red paint on the kitchen floor and cat mat this morning, making a bit of noise outside my room first thing in the morning etc...) but I've decided to ignore and count down the days until they go.

When I gave them notice, I didn't mention anything at all about their behaviour as a reason. I kept it all quite positive and told them that unfortunately I need to isolate to help out my sick mum at short notice. This is true, and she is possibly looking at surgery soon. But the fact that neither of them have actually asked how my mum is (especially the one who has been with me for a while and who I've been really supportive of over the years), has also made me realise I made the right decision.

Most of you recommended for me to give them two weeks notice but in the end I have them a month... so hopefully not too much drama over that time.

Anyway, that's my update. I'm not a troll and I've taken everyone's advice. Smile Life is too short of a frosty home environment, especially when you can't actually go anywhere for the foreseeable. But onwards and upwards. Smile

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BrightYellowDaffodil · 14/02/2021 13:09

Good for you; you’ve been more than reasonable but you can’t have to tolerate behaviour like that, especially when it’s justified on the grounds of “you don’t pay rent” when you’re paying the effing mortgage!

Fingers crossed that they’re soon nothing but a distant memory.

Womencanlift · 14/02/2021 13:11

Well done on giving them notice. Make sure you take pictures of anything that they have damaged and remove an amount from their deposit to cover it.

I assume damages and impact to deposit is noted in any contract you have with them if it’s a standard tenancy agreement?

Oh and it’s your kitchen so if you need to go in there when they are there then do it. Think of it as putting into practice that assertiveness you have been reading about

persistentwoman · 14/02/2021 13:15

Well done OP. Some life lessons learned from this. Hoping that the next weeks are not too unpleasant and that they'll be out of your space soon.

Butchyrestingface · 14/02/2021 13:18

Most of you recommended for me to give them two weeks notice but in the end I have them a month... so hopefully not too much drama over that time.

They both sounded dreadful.

Presumably you intend to be in the property on the day they finally FO? Do you have big, ugly male relative with anger management issues who can come round for morale support if needed? (I know it would be quarantine-breaking).

Sittingonabench · 14/02/2021 13:18

Great news OP, thanks for the update and hopefully in a month you will have your space back and a bit of peace

AbsitivelyPosolutely · 14/02/2021 13:18

Take photos of everything. You can take the cost of replacing anything they ruin out of their deposit.

When my lodger left I discovered he'd broken every bit of furniture in the room, spilt hot chocolate on the carpet - which he just left, and got marker pen on the walls. Was a fun time.

Thanks for updating. I hope this month is bearable. Good luck.

QueenoftheAir · 14/02/2021 13:19

shutting themselves in the kitchen with loud music, leaving oil or something similar on the kitchen floor, smearing some sort of red paint on the kitchen floor and cat mat this morning, making a bit of noise outside my room first thing in the morning etc

This is more than oddness, OP - this is nasty bullying.

I read your first thread - I'm SO pleased you've given them notice. Your Lodger #1 was quite deranged in her views.

Good luck in getting actually to leave !

MeridianB · 14/02/2021 13:21

@TheyIsMyFamily

Well done.

I'd remind them after any more 'smearing of oils/paints/mess' incidents that the return of their deposit is on condition of your home not being damaged by them.

Yup. This

Put away your treasures, too. And arrange for the locks to be changed at some point.

trimtops · 14/02/2021 13:21

well done, I know it can be 'atmospheric' when you are in the last few weeks of living with lodgers/tenants.

I would if I were you, clean up all mess yourself now, and then take a load of photo's of anything and everything. If you have access to their rooms I would go in and take pictures of furniture and carpets, and anything else that is yours and you have supplied, it's amazing how a bottle of nail varnish/foundation/mascara can be accidentally tipped over and ruin something.

Are you providing references for them at all? (not sure if lodgers ask for this)

lurklemurkle · 14/02/2021 13:23

Well done. Good for you!

Would it be worth putting the date they need to leave in writing, and giving a reminder of terms for getting deposit back? From what you've said, I'd be worried about them leaving their rooms in a state/causing damage.

I know you need to be careful what you say legally but maybe someone can recommend a template you could use?

Therealjudgejudy · 14/02/2021 13:24

Please take pictures of any damage, date stamped and let them know that any said damage will be deducted from their deposits.

Dont let then bully you in your own home. You sound lovely Flowers

Pollypudding · 14/02/2021 13:24

Well done. I read your previous thread and thought you were a very kind person being taken advantage of. Flowers

EarringsandLipstick · 14/02/2021 13:25

Glad to hear this OP. I remember your last thread.

Bit nervous for you for the coming month tho... I hope it'll be ok

Eckhart · 14/02/2021 13:27

I would be photographing all of the property in case they damage stuff and then claim they didn't. Make sure the photos are dated.

How can anybody shut themselves in the kitchen? It shouldn't have a lock because of the fire hazard. Surely you could just walk in and prop the door open whenever they do that? Walking into your own kitchen isn't confrontational.

WanderleyWagon · 14/02/2021 13:27

Like a PP, I would also be interested to know what the assertiveness booklet was.

ReggaePerrin · 14/02/2021 13:31

Who the fuck do they think they are? Shock

I agree, it would be prudent to take photographs of their obviously intentional attempts to harm you/your cat/your property.

SuperHighway · 14/02/2021 13:32

Put a notebook on the side in the kitchen, with a running tally of damage and cost to your property. Make them aware it's coming out of their deposit.

InescapableDeath · 14/02/2021 13:33

Well done OP. Look after yourself, and if/when you feel strong tell them to be more careful if they want their deposits back. A month can feel like a long term!

WombatChocolate · 14/02/2021 13:37

Thanks for update.

Given there are 2 lodgers and it will be difficult to identify who has caused any damage, you will need to be prepared to divide any costs between them. That could be tricky and be disputed.

Agree that it wouldn’t hurt to leave them a written note reminding them of the date by which they must have gone and that the deposit will be returned minus any damages.

Putting things sun writing is always essential. It is not good enough to just have had a verbal communication about notice.

You should also ask them for the information about where any deposit to be returned should be sent after they have vacated. You should look at their rooms with them, so any damage or mess can be identified with them present. At that point there is no need to mention the value of any deductions, but just to identify any issues. You will need to do this with them present as otherwise tenants can claim you created the damage afterwards. Take any photos with date stamps.

You do not want them coming back to get the deposit, so ensure you have an address for a cheque or bank details to pay it into, and definitely don’t want to give into any pressure to return the deposit before they are gone from the premises and you have a chance to value anything that needs deductions.

Hope it goes smoothly. Sometimes these things don’t and as you say you just have to grit your teeth and count down the days. If they have already created damage with paint, there is a risk of further damage in the days ahead.

I agree with mentioning actual damage (noise will probably have to be ignored) and telling them damage will have to be paid for and if there is anything further you will reduce the notice period. Don’t get into discussion. Again, everything in writing is needed.

Beautiful3 · 14/02/2021 13:41

Thanks for the update. I did wonder what happened as it was deleted. I'm glad you gave them their notice, they are very rude lodgers. Hope your mums operation goes well.

PatchworkElmer · 14/02/2021 13:44

Well done OP! Hope the next month goes smoothly.

NotSorry · 14/02/2021 13:46

Thank you for updating

agree with PPs that you need to tell them that any damage will come out of their deposit and take photographs

good luck OP

fassbendersmistress · 14/02/2021 13:51

Well done OP.

I would perhaps take some pics of the shared spaces and household goods in the condition they currently are, so you have a leg to stand on if they cause any damage and then deny it.

I would tolerate any more deliberate mess making either. Call them out on it and remind them you will use up their deposit for a full professional clean if you continue to see regular evidence of oil/paint etc on floors...

You are so well shot of these two immature women who have a lot of growing up to do.

fassbendersmistress · 14/02/2021 13:52

Wouldn’t tolerate!!!

Loopylobes · 14/02/2021 13:55

Have new doorlocks ready to fit on the day they leave. Please don't trust them to hand back keys without copying them.

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