To think that there's something more to these famous women's dramatic weight losses?

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Over the last year or so, I've seen Adele, Rebel Wilson and Kelly Osbourne dramatically lose weight. They look amazing, and completely different. It's in their faces too. Is there some new kind of weight loss surgery going around, or is it really just diet and exercise? I love all these women no matter what their size, and I struggle with weight loss myself and admire them for being healthy and looking incredibly fit. But is something going on that's not available to the masses? (no pun intended)

They have money. It should be obvious how they've done it surely?

Whether they've paid for surgery, personal trainers, a chef etc they can afford all of that. It's not like they've had a busy schedule in the last year either, they can't film much or produce much. No wonder they've managed to finally fit in a healthy lifestyle.

I imagine though once rebel in particular goes back to filming she'll gain weight again. She won't have the time for the training schedule anymore by that point. Hopefully not but might happen.

[quote Sweet666]@greenlandthemovie 1600 calories is a weight loss intake for many people, you need approx 500 calories less than your TDEE per day to lose 2lbs per week. If you're short or sedentary it may be too much calories but if not then it can be a good number for weight loss.[/quote]
Is that why Britain has such high rates of obesity then?

I mean, yes, obviously, I would probably lose 2 lbs per day on 1600 calories a day too, especially because I train once or twice per day, but it wouldn't enable me to carbo load for races (or the more modern equivalent) and I would probably lose water at first and then if I had a lot of weight to lose, stick at it for months. Which I think would be difficult.

Whereas I can have treats and not watch my weight regularly, and if I feel my jeans becoming a bit tight, I can eat 800 calories per day on and off for 2 or 3 weeks and I'm right back to a size 8/10.

I'd rather do that than stick to 1600 calories a day for 8 weeks or whatever, but I'm not overweight enough to benefit from a long term diet at a higher calorie intake.

But how many people are going to stick to the mythical 1600 calories per day healthy eating for ever?

@Sweet666

And sorry but unless you have a serious medical issue then I don't think you're counting your calories right. If you GENUINELY usually eat 800 calories a day you would be emaciated by now

For 5 or 6 days for 2 or 3 weeks. Can people on this thread seriously not read?

Why on earth do you think a person who is a size 8/10 need to eat 800 calories a day to lose a tiny bit of weight for any longer than that? Of course they would bloody well be emaciated if they did!

@ShirleyPhallus

I find all the chat of “quick fixes” and “what do you eat in a day” really depressing. It’s not a secret to eat less and move more, but people seem to believe that faddy diets work. All the “I do slimming world / weight watchers” threads plus the people who think that walking a few miles a day will be a big factor in weight loss. It doesn’t work, those programmes are a massive con whose business model are designed for people to fail and come back time and again.

SW and WW will work if followed properly because you will be consuming less calories than before. It's not rocket science. Anyone who cuts down to, say, 1200 calories a day and says they're not losing weight either has some underlying issue or simply isn't counting calories properly.

My metabolism is already fucked, to lose weight my calorie intake does have to be lower than is suggested by my height

Which is why this time I’m going to do it a bit at a time...last week i only lost a quarter pound but the scales went down people, down!

Kelly Osbourne had a vsg and has always been very open about it

My friend also had one and still has to work very hard on maintaining that weight loss.

A certain amount of loss is pretty inevitable with the preparation for the op and recovery, but once past those stages weight loss isn't automatic, you still have to make the right choices of what you put in your mouth and control the portion. It is still possible to binge on cake and crisps as they slip right through. it is still possible to eat above your TDEE in calories with these ops and therefore gain weight, and you still have to work on not doing so.

Through her instagram documenting the loss, I noticed a friend of hers who has had both a vsg and a bypass but managed to still gain 30lbs in two months due to falling off the wagon with alcohol consumption and binging on 'slider foods' (the aforementioned cake and crisps, slide right through, easy to eat too much off even for bariatric patients)

To make the operation work, you still have to work at it and follow all the guidelines. It's not a magic solution that means you don't have to work at it or think about it anymore. Anyone who has had an op is not cheating or having an easy time of it.

I don’t don’t they’ve had gastric band surgery and then worked out like demons. Every credit to them. Of course they have the money for chefs, trainers etc which will help them maintain.

*don’t doubt I mean.

@tuttifuckinfruity I was about 95kg in the before picture. 87kg in October when I really decided to lose weight. Now I am about 61-62kg.

I went for about 800kcal a day, very low carb. I tend to do 16:8 because it fits in with my lifestyle (I am not a breakfast person). Lots of strength training too. I am starting to do Hiit again now I have increased my calorie intake (because I enjoy Hiit - I don't want to lose any more weight)

Don't tell me to "calm down" - try and think of a sensible argument, rather than throwing around wild accusations and making up nonsense about what other people haven't actually said they do.

You’re doing a great impression of ‘calm’ there. What are the ‘wild accusations’, by the way? Noting that you yourself talked about dieting on 800 calories a day, I suppose.

And if you are trying to tell slim, healthy people how to stay slim, I damned well hope you are an absolute picture of slim, healthiness yourself!

I am, as it goes. I’m 5’8” and a size 10/12. I can run 10k in 50 minutes and my body fat percentage is 21.

However, in your keenness to lash out you have missed that I haven’t been ‘telling slim healthy people how to stay slim’. I remarked that eating 800 calories a day regularly is a good way to mess up your metabolism.

It sounds as if you have a complex about weight - why else are you foaming at the mouth? - and you’d probably do well to stay away from debates like this. You can’t help but personalise things.

Kelly Osborne had a gastric sleeve (not a lap band at all). I had the same surgery in October. I still have to make choices and conscious decisions about eating the right thing. I can't believe anyone would think having 80% of your stomach removed would be an easy way out.

A lot of the nurses at hospital when I was in were convinced Adele had had it too because it happened so fast. But she has no loose skin, which usually comes with rapid weight loss.

Rebel Wilson I think did it the "traditional" way.

I think it is dumb for people to eat 800 calories unless they have an eating disorder... I'm a recovering anorexic and trust me 800 can make you very sick! It's not healthy at all. And you can lose weight on 1200+ so it's just impatient and youre more likely to yoyo your weight if you go down to 800. 800 is less than your body needs in a coma...

Kelly has had surgery. Other 2 haven’t said they’ve had surgery. I’m mid 40s and lost 5 stone in 8 months. I averaged 2lb a week. Nothing extreme did SlimmingWorld walking and swimming. The so called experts always suggest these women have followed extreme diets/exercise regimens as though that’s the only way to lose. Annoys me.

My sister works with celebs and these people have both the money and the time to have daily personal trainers, live-in personal chefs, state of the art home gyms, and access to the latest pills/surgery - including in the US often ethically dubious medications that have not been approved for weight loss as the healthcare system is so different there (she has stories of people using insulin and other diabetes drugs for weight loss which is awful - look at Michael Jackson for an example of what a doctor is willing to give a patient if paid enough). Obviously some willpower is involved which explains why some celebs are not skinny, but it's much much easier for them to do this than normal people.

@Iamthewombat

Don't tell me to "calm down" - try and think of a sensible argument, rather than throwing around wild accusations and making up nonsense about what other people haven't actually said they do.

You’re doing a great impression of ‘calm’ there. What are the ‘wild accusations’, by the way? Noting that you yourself talked about dieting on 800 calories a day, I suppose.

And if you are trying to tell slim, healthy people how to stay slim, I damned well hope you are an absolute picture of slim, healthiness yourself!

I am, as it goes. I’m 5’8” and a size 10/12. I can run 10k in 50 minutes and my body fat percentage is 21.

However, in your keenness to lash out you have missed that I haven’t been ‘telling slim healthy people how to stay slim’. I remarked that eating 800 calories a day regularly is a good way to mess up your metabolism.

It sounds as if you have a complex about weight - why else are you foaming at the mouth? - and you’d probably do well to stay away from debates like this. You can’t help but personalise things.

With all due respect, Wombat, you're not really giving me an impression of someone I would wish to obey. My 10k pb is 39.16, 5k is 18.57, 3000m is 10.32. I have a coach (not a personal trainer, a coach for whom I do not have to pay) and free access to all sorts of nutrition advice from properly qualified people. I've also had sports psychology coaching (along with the rest of the squad) and it was actually said that I had one of the more robust psyches out there, not likely to be prone to depressive or anxiety based disorders (we did a test).

I'm not particularly interested in someone who obviously has a bit of desire to control people obsessively trying to analyse my diet and indeed my personality - its weird, creepy and I'm asking you nicely to stop making this so personal.

Theres no evidence that my "metabolism" is messed up. I actually eat too much, in general, and remain a size 8/10. If I return to the track, I'll eat even more rigidly because as every athlete knows, the leaner you are, the faster you are (within limits) - its a power to weight ratio game. If you are doing 50 minutes for 10k, then depending on your age, you will probably see improvements if you get your weight down a bit. Thats just the way running is if you want to be near the front of the field. If you're happy as you are, then thats fine. But you really don't sound like someone I'd take advice from, nor let you browbeat me into thinking I have a "complex" or am "foaming at the mouth".

Go and find someone who's interested to listen to you. Theres a lot of very good people out there who do know what they're talking about, and you really don't give the impression of being one of them.

I don’t think it would be that hard with PT, chef and not messing up food intake.

I mean still takes effort but a lot of it is willpower and having people to keep you in line would help.

Ever since the lovely Fern Britten didn't totally tell the truth about her gastric band or sleeve or whatever she had done surgically , I am so skeptical about most celebs and their incredible weight loss.
Jenni Murray did an interview and said she said she paid 11k for her sleeve and how wonderful it was and how much better she now feels. She told the truth and it was refreshing to read that it wasn't all just diet and exercise.
I'm not suggesting they all have surgery , but many of these people can afford it and I'm sure that this is how they achieve their target weight.
Good for them , but please don't try to deceive if you have had ' help' along the way.

Adderal prescription

In RL the only help you get are those little voices in your head debating how next week will be a better time to start encouraging you to put it off the good voice gets drowned out.
It is doable I'd say though like pp's I'm skeptical.
If I'd all their money there is no way I'd do anything the hard way.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

My metabolism is already fucked, to lose weight my calorie intake does have to be lower than is suggested by my height

Which is why this time I’m going to do it a bit at a time...last week i only lost a quarter pound but the scales went down people, down!

Exactly! Also, I actually think even on a low calorie diet, people should be allowing themselves some leniency occasionally. Otherwise it's miserable and imo, not sustainable.

@MarshaBradyo

I don’t think it would be that hard with PT, chef and not messing up food intake.

Also, knowing that you're in the public eye. That would be a huge incentive to look a way that you're happy with.

Also, I actually think even on a low calorie diet, people should be allowing themselves some leniency occasionally. Otherwise it's miserable and imo, not sustainable

Absolutely...life style change

And i must get away from saying some food is ‘naughty’ as well

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Also, I actually think even on a low calorie diet, people should be allowing themselves some leniency occasionally. Otherwise it's miserable and imo, not sustainable

Absolutely...life style change

And i must get away from saying some food is ‘naughty’ as well

God yes. And "cheat day" ffs. It's no cheating🤦

Am I bad for laughing at Greenlandthemovie? I knew that she’d try to turn it into a ‘who’s the thinnest?’ contest. Like most people with a complex about what they eat.

As for suggesting that I ‘get some weight off’: no thanks. I am very happy as my fit, slim and healthy self.