Are we know in a totalitarian regime or something?

[Lastfreakinglegs]

10 years in prison for a lie. Of course a lie a out this is reprehensible, but..... Wtf.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-travel-rules-red-list-prison-b1799698.html

Maybe don’t go on an international holiday during a pandemic and certainly don’t lie about it. That isn’t difficult is it.

Many people who are travelling at the moment don’t seem to be sticking to the isolation rules, maybe blame them for draconian rules being brought in. I am sure very few people will be getting 10 years in prison.

It’s like most people don’t get the maximum fines.

@Janedownourlane

I think its chilling too and I'm shocked. Once governments take liberties away, and they've made new laws to let them do whatever they want, they dont give them back. First...its lockdown til halfway through February, then March, now no summer holidays, Autumn til we can travel abroad...its never going to stop. This government are abusing their powers in my opinion. All the new variants, well, it'll be one after another after another and then another. All viruses mutate, it will mutate for ever. Now they want to give out prison sentences, its crazy. They are controlling us by fear. I've stuck to the rules closely but today, I've just about had enough. Brexit is causing so many companies hardship, my DS lives in Europe and its breaking my heart that I might not see him til the Autumn or beyond if Hancock gets his way. I just cant stand this government and their reactive policies one day longer. Sorry to rant.

And your alternative is?

Totalitarianism is a concept for a form of government or political system that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life.
Did I miss the Labour Party, Lib Dems, etc. being abolished?

Even the economist reported the UK is a flawed democracy. Thin end of the wedge. Get these bastard tories out.
No they didnt. The UK was still classed as a Full Democracy in this year's index.

Did I miss the Labour Party, Lib Dems, etc. being abolished.

Yes you did. Or completely weakened at any rate.

Even the economist reported the UK is a flawed democracy. Thin end of the wedge. Get these bastard tories out.
No they didnt. The UK was still classed as a Full Democracy in this year's index

OK mistake the shades of blue look similar. But the tories don't give a shit about us.

It's worked beautifully in Australia. We have the odd community case from hotel quarantine but it's stamped out very quickly.

Peadophiles get lesser sentences. Say that again. It's a fucking disgrace.

stops people taking the piss im fed up of everyone saying they'll do what they want when they want

nooes actually going to get 10 years are they

I grew up in the former Soviet Union. The current situation here is not much different, sadly. Fear, separation, isolation, living under threat, neighbours watching each other, punishment not for something you have done (actually infected x number of people) but for something you may cause.
Regimes like this always tell people that any restrictions are for their own good, for a ‘bigger’ case , uniting people against a common imaginary enemy but at the same time setting them off against each other. .. People in North Korea are indoctrinated to believe that their isolation from the rest of the world is for their national and individual safety.
It’s when people stop questioning and challenging these rule-makers that the situation becomes very serious. When they tell you ‘just follow the rules’ and you won’t get fined/ punished, your family will be safe if you just obey.
I think people could benefit from some independent critical thinking , no Government is always right. Laws need to be questioned.

and for a pp go to the shop 4 miles away youre entitled to

[quote Lastfreakinglegs]10 years in prison for a lie. Of course a lie a out this is reprehensible, but..... Wtf.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-travel-rules-red-list-prison-b1799698.html[/quote]
Yes
Police state
Police raid on gym in Liverpool, people having police knock on doors accused of breaches, its terrifying and dystopian

@Wildswim

God knows what people who actually live in totalitarian regimes would make of some of the comments on this thread

Actually I've read posts from people who lived in the former Soviet Union who have expressed amazement and concern about what's going on, and have pointed out warning signs.

I can believe that

I'm an education welfare officer and the maximum sentence for non school attendance is 3 months imprisonments. But I've never seen that sentence given.

Blame the large number of people who have proved over the past year that we can't trust the British public to not be selfish assholes even if there's a risk to other people's lives.

Oh and increase sentences for paedophiles.

@sadpapercourtesan

No. We're not in a totalitarian regime. We're in a global pandemic.

Honestly, I understand why people are freaked out by the strength of the measures needed to control this virus - for most of us, a pandemic is pretty much the ONLY circumstance in which we'd countenance our civil liberties being limited in this way, and none of us thought we'd actually see one.

But it's happening, and we all need to do our part. Whining about totalitarianism and conspiracy theories aren't helping.

This. 1000% this.

@lunapeace

Peadophiles get lesser sentences. Say that again. It's a fucking disgrace.

Yes because there is generally a difference between MAXIMUM sentences available to the court and sentences actually handed out. Especially for first time offenders or where there are mitigating factors.

First everyone gets upset that people have been allowed to travel into the country, bringing virus strains in with them, with cries of "why didn't we shut our borders?". When we finally do, there are angry outcries that we're doing so. Sadly, there are so many people who don't care or who are willing to flout the rules, there have to be OTT drastic measures to ensure they really don't....

Other countries have been doing this for a while, for instance Iceland has quarantined incomers since March last year. They fill in forms before flying, take tests which they pay for themselves and are placed in a hotel once they arrive. The quarantine is severe....there's no escape. Sneak out and you're in the middle of a remote lava field....you won't get very far. Not a single chance of ducking it or lying, you go directly from the 'plane. And pay for it all yourself.

Yes, it's to deter people from travelling, why not? We're in the middle of a pandemic! Only if it's absolutely seriously necessary should anyone be travelling, drastic measures will ensure this is so....

Maybe just do what you are supposed to and there will be no risk of going to prison at all.

Some of these posts are pathetic.

[quote Lastfreakinglegs]@Scbchl exactly. Plus rapists get less as well as manslaughter. Wtf is going on. I'm shocked.[/quote]
But that's in part because they're sentences are too short. Rape should be 50 years, murder 100. I don't think we should do everything as a proportion of a murder sentence

As someone who until very recently lived in Hong Kong, I can confirm that the U.K. is not a totalitarian regime.

Sentencing for manslaughter in the UK is up to a lifetime imprisonment (though that is uncommon).

The fact that COVID offences have a maximum 10 years imprisonment does not mean that offenders will be automatically sentenced to 10 years - quite the opposite. Sentencing is complex and most offenders may receive a much more lenient tariff of suspended or short imprisonments, or fines.

Please don’t brandish the flag of totalitarianism every time you disagree with government policy. You don’t know what it’s like to live in an undemocratic regime, where exercising your fundamental freedom of speech will see you deported to China and judged without a fair trial.

You may find the new rules draconian, but that is quite a different concept from totalitarian.

HTH

You can bet a Tory donor and crony who owns hotel chain will get a contract and we'll soon be hearing tales of how people are mistreated and starved for their £1725 and further billions of pounds goes walkies.

You can't trust this government for FA.

So those of you who are wailing about human rights being eroded, it sounds like you are saying 'it's a human right to go on holiday then come back & lie about where you have travelled from so you do not have to put up with the inconvenience & cost of 10 days quarantine'.
What about my human rights being erdoded? My right to life & good health?
I do not want to be infected with a more dangerous variant of Covid just because some psychopath arse wipe thinks their right to lie about their holiday travels & not be inconvenienced is far more important.

@TracyBeakerSoYeah

So those of you who are wailing about human rights being eroded, it sounds like you are saying 'it's a human right to go on holiday then come back & lie about where you have travelled from so you do not have to put up with the inconvenience & cost of 10 days quarantine'. What about my human rights being erdoded? My right to life & good health? I do not want to be infected with a more dangerous variant of Covid just because some psychopath arse wipe thinks their right to lie about their holiday travels & not be inconvenienced is far more important.

WHY does everyone consider any travel abroad to be for holidays? There's a myriad of reasons people do it in 2021 - to access medical treatment (especially how the NHS has been defunded), to care for family abroad/attend funerals, work, trade, education, people who may have been working abroad and lost their jobs and need to repatriate, people who lost their visa abroad and need to repatriate. It's far from just about fucking holidays but the government knows the sheeple will fall for this wag the dog as they have every other strawman they've made so this is yet another soft target.

But those people don’t need to lie and therefore won’t need to go to prison @rawalpindithelabrador

I am referring to those fuckwits who lie about their holiday travel not those unfortunate people travelling back to the UK due to bereavement, medical care, relationship break up or other unavoidable reasons who are unlikely to lie about where they've come back from.
But in those cases then the quarantine fee should be paid by the government but you still would need to be quarantined.

This 'up to a 10 year jail sentence' is to deter those folk that take the piss.