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to think that Jackie Weaver is a hero to feminism?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 06/02/2021 22:28

Because I refuse to believe that those appalling men would have spoken to another man the way they attempted to shout her down. She handled herself so beautifully.

Frankly I think she deserves to be Dame Jackie Weaver for services to common sense!

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trulydelicious · 08/02/2021 09:48

@HenriettaHeffalump

I've reported you as well

Why have you reported me? I'm genuine and I have explained what worries me here - or does everyone have to agree with you and if not they are a troll?

HenriettaHeffalump · 08/02/2021 09:49

@Arobase

Well, even the BBC are letting him explain his side of the story, so I don't know how it can be so clear to everyone who is in the wrong here

Because, for the reasons I set out above, it is perfectly clear that having been given that opportunity he is, shall we say, economising to a rather major extent with the facts. His own conduct demonstrates that. But, yet again, @trulydelicious, you choose to ignore posts you find inconvenient because you can't answer them.,

Yep! Behaving as a nasty troll who doesn't like women aren't they? Not saying that's what they are you understand, but the behaviour is similar to those who are like that, you know?
HenriettaHeffalump · 08/02/2021 09:50

[quote trulydelicious]@HenriettaHeffalump

I've reported you as well

Why have you reported me? I'm genuine and I have explained what worries me here - or does everyone have to agree with you and if not they are a troll?[/quote]
It isn't that you disagree with me. Do not attempt to do a wide eyed act with me mate. You know exactly what you are doing...or you don't and then I feel sorry for you.

growinggreyer · 08/02/2021 09:50

@dontdisturbmenow

She dealt with it professionally and with confidence. No it doesn't make her a hero to feminism.
Are you aware that women were excluded from the professions because they were female and therefore believed to be emotionally, mentally and physically incapable of this? Women have had to fight for their place at the table and every woman who does this with grace under pressure is a hero to feminism.
trulydelicious · 08/02/2021 09:51

@Arobase

Does it ever occur to you for a moment that what caused these men to get mocked is their behaviour

I don't agree with anyone being mocked on national and international TV for getting frazzled, unsettled or shouting, no. Do you?

trulydelicious · 08/02/2021 09:53

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HenriettaHeffalump · 08/02/2021 09:53

🥺🥺🥺🥺

Why is everyone so mean to the nice men? Ugh do one. My patience with your crap has reached its limit as you may be able to tell.

Arobase · 08/02/2021 09:55

I don't believe there is any requirement of these Men to explain themselves.. the footage speaks for itself

It doesn't, that's the problem. Please read my post to hannayeah

The footage does speak for itself, because with absolutely no knowledge of the background anyone can see that Tolver and Brewerton were trying to stop the meeting from happening and that Weaver was doing her job and making it happen. She was also exercising considerable self-control in the face of what was, on any interpretation, appalling behaviour from them. Brewerton shouting incredibly rudely in the background at some unfortunate person out of camera range is perhaps the lowest point. I suppose that, yet again, asking this question is hopeless, but do you really think their behaviour was acceptable in any context, let alone a public meeting?

As I say, all of this is self evident. Additionally, virtually every report I have seen explains the basic background of why Jackie Weaver was there - i.e. because of complaints about the behaviour of certain councillors in Handforth and their attempts to prevent meetings being held, including unlawfully getting rid of the usual clerk. So the publicity that you complain about so virulently properly puts it all in context. Is that why you complain about the publicity so much - because it gives you no scope for exonerating your heroes?

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JaimeLeeCurtains · 08/02/2021 10:00

It's probably best to let @MNHQ deal with the derailing and reports re the thread now?

HenriettaHeffalump · 08/02/2021 10:00

I take criticism wonderfully! But do not attempt to do a wide eyed act with me...mate Smile

Arobase · 08/02/2021 10:00

I don't agree with anyone being mocked on national and international TV for getting frazzled, unsettled or shouting, no. Do you?

Given that there was absolutely nothing that had happened that justified them getting like that (apart from the fact that they were incredulous that they couldn't get their own way and continue sabotaging the meeting), and that they knew the meeting was being recorded and would be published, I would say that if they couldn't exercise a basic degree of self-control they should have removed themselves. If you are going to behave appallingly, you have to take the consequences, whether it's the people who were at the meeting despising you or thousands of people elsewhere laughing at you.

dontdisturbmenow · 08/02/2021 10:01

Are you aware that women were excluded from the professions because they were female and therefore believed to be emotionally, mentally and physically incapable of this?
That still doesn't make her a feminist hero. I've been spoken like this at work too. I responded as I was trained to, adhering to the remit if my role and keeping my calm. Like she did. She did her job well from that perspective. End of.

trulydelicious · 08/02/2021 10:03

@JaimeLeeCurtains

derailing

You think expressing a different point of view is derailing? Speaking of bullying!

Marinaloves · 08/02/2021 10:19

Eh? They mocked themselves
No one is mocking them, they’re just watching a video of them making twats of themselves - they don’t need any help in the mocking department.

Seriously @trulydelicious

Roussette · 08/02/2021 11:01

Well, even the BBC are letting him explain his side of the story

I just hope that the irresponsible MSM journalism that allowed this story to run unchecked and caused these men to get mocked as far as USA and Australia are held accountable for it and think about what they do next time

Make your mind up Truly. Are the MSM behaving irresponsibly or not? You can't have it both ways.

I don't agree with anyone being mocked on national and international TV for getting frazzled, unsettled or shouting, no

Hahaha. Now that is funny. That's most of media reporting on people gone then. Do you actually read what's out there?

'Getting frazzled' my arse. Until you can accept that those horrible men behaved awfully, there is no hope for you.

Are you saying that it's OK to behave like this in a meeting? Obviously you are.

By the way, you cannot stop something going national or international. That's the nature of the beast. You are sounding remarkably ignorant naive, honest you are.

I tweeted a reply to something awful that Katie Hopkins said once on Twitter. Oh my god... it was unbelievable... thousands and thousands of likes and retweets in UK and US. I was delighted actually because what she said was so vile. Now tell me how I could have stopped that going 'international'?

Truly shall I tell you what makes me cross. Posters who purposely do not read all the research handed to you, the measured posts explaining the situation, the ignoring of certain questions. That is what you are doing. You are cherry picking little bits here and there to suit your agenda.

picklemewalnuts · 08/02/2021 11:44

@Marinaloves they sacked the clerk because he was acting lawfully and in accordance with advice from the local authority.

A Cllr disqualified themselves by failing to attend meetings, meaning there was a vacancy. Usually that kicks off a procedure allowing the public to request an election to replace that cllr. That may not have happened, due to coronavirus, but the disqualified councillor was no longer a Cllr.

The Chair and cronies wanted her reinstated (as she votes with them giving them a controlling interest), which is not something the clerk is able to do. So they suspended him, without even using the correct procedure to do it- ie at a full meeting where other Cllrs could vote on it.

That in itself is appalling, bullying behaviour. They also expressed in emails that they wanted to 'get rid of' the clerk, and 'how can we do it?'.

hannayeah · 08/02/2021 12:33

@trulydelicious

I explained nothing of the sort (that their behavior had nothing to do with misogyny).

I explained their likely motive for obfuscating, pretending not to understand that Jackie Weaver is an authority on Parish councils with 25 years experience; that she had been sent by Cheshire District Council; that a meeting can be called by two councilors and therefore it was legal. The Chair himself said the meeting had not yet started and also knows a clerk had the authority to call disruptive people out and have them ejected them if needed.

He wasn’t frazzled by her presence or unwillingness to listen to him bang on further for clearly they’d already had these conversations as she effectively said “we’ve been through this”.

He and his cronies used all the basic tools that misogynists use to try and shut her up and run over her. Should I list them? I’d be shocked if they are not sexist pigs but true that doesn’t mean they limit their horribleness to women.

I’m fascinated by your adamant defense and sympathy for people who clearly have been behaving abominably for months and neglecting their duties while attempting to prevent an entire council from doing their own. What about this situation touches a nerve for you and makes you see only the side of despicably behaved men?

Cadent · 08/02/2021 12:37

Just had a male colleague answer a question that was specifically asked of me. on a Teams call. The pin drop silence afterwards was palpable. I let him stew and then answered the question.

This shit is endemic.

hannayeah · 08/02/2021 12:40

So Cllr Jean Thompson never attends anyway. What’s the chance Tolver was just making up her apology?

Also, I am not sure if Roger Small and Jackie Weaver are single, but if so I think they could be a nice match.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/02/2021 13:16

Could some kind soul possibly post links to the prequel and sequel please? I'm getting a bit muddled - I've seen the No Authority one and one other only.

stonebrambleboy · 08/02/2021 13:33

hannayeah
Well said!

Marinaloves · 08/02/2021 14:07

Does Jean Thomson exist!!!
Is that who aled was shouting at in the background

HeronLanyon · 08/02/2021 14:23

Prequel. Planning sub committee immediately preceding the infamous viral meeting.

HeronLanyon · 08/02/2021 14:26

Sequel - meeting of 21 January. Last 25 mins or so has good synopsis of history. And updates.