to think that Jackie Weaver is a hero to feminism?

[PyongyangKipperbang]

Because I refuse to believe that those appalling men would have spoken to another man the way they attempted to shout her down. She handled herself so beautifully.

Frankly I think she deserves to be Dame Jackie Weaver for services to common sense!

[quote trulydelicious]@Eleganz

So I decided to come up with some random conspiracy theory

No, I'm just trying to make sense of all the lunacy around this video. But I still can't, so I give up

I feel sorry for the men (and other ladies) who have been exposed in this way in MSM though

And I know I'll be flamed for this[/quote]
If coming up with a conspiracy theory and lying that other posters support what you are saying is how you make sense of things, you need to come up with more constructive ways to explore the world around you.

You need to accept that you are in the minority that just don't get it. You don't see me claiming that Downton Abbey is a conspiracy theory by Rupert Murdoch and the lizard people to overthrow parliament just because I don't get what all the fuss was about.

@TheHateIsNotGood though more sly than shouty says it all really.

Our PC Clerk is male, non of the female councillors are particularly sly or the males particularly shouty, mainly because they are aware of their role and what it entails. No bunfights , although I have campaigned for non alcoholic refreshments for a number of years

And I strongly suspect we are all drinking wine out of our mugs on Zoom meetings

How are members appointed... and in turn can they be removed ? 🌺

frumpety - I always enjoyed being a Parish Clerk, so much so I gained the CertHE qualification and have been a Clerk to 3 PCs - I was bullied out of one, because I tried to steer them towards behaving legitimately.

The previous Clerk of 40 years had actually 'been' the Council - literally a Meeting involved The Chair reading out Minutes that the Clerk had prepared; with no discussion. Unbelievable. And not somewhere isolated and rural but a wealthy large Parish in Sussex.

Often, I want to apply for Parish Clerk positions, but I know what it can entail so hold back. Maybe not so now.

Well done TheHate for doing this so many times. Respect to you!

@BlueThistles there are elections and people can be co-opted if someone leaves mid term. The elections in a lot of cases involve people applying for the role ( if they meet the eligilibility criteria ) and if there aren't more people applying than positions available then you get in. It is honestly mainly dull, slow moving work, as you are at the very bottom of the pile, however you can bend the ear of Borough and County councillors and may even get a reply or assistance from the MP should you need it, so can have a real impact on local issues.
Can I just give a big thank you to the hardworking Borough Councillors out there, they can really make a difference, a good one is worth their weight in gold.

I was bullied out of one, because I tried to steer them towards behaving legitimately.

Can well believe it, I only got involved following the great purge of 2015

shinfieldparish.gov.uk/your-parish-council/staff/the-role-of-a-parish-clerk/

For anyone who thinks the Clerk just takes minutes.

started 1997, quite young for a Clerk - I thought the job meant keeping the 'books' for the local Church .

One of the steepest learning curves ever!

I’m on one parish council and I love it. Our clerk is amazing and while we often disagree it’s always cordial - more so now we’re on Zoom albeit also more stilted. Alas of 15 councillors only 5 are women and I think I’m the only one who is under 50 and decisions taken can really affect funding and projects for the village. It’s only one meeting a month and would love to see more people stand so we can have a better representation for residents and the things they care about. This vid was gold though and will always remind me things could be worse

Not wanting to sound pernickety but Parish Councils are usually part of 3-tier Local Govt systems - County, District, Town/Parish. There are many different Local Governance 'hiearchies' - City, Unitary and Borough councils usually don't have Parishes (a few do) and locally democratise via Wards.

Then there are Bishoprics, not as archaic as it seems, Horsham is an example - a large, wealthy Town with no Town Council, just some Neighbourhood Councils with watered down Rights, surrounded by Parish Councils with more rights.

Letting the District Council run everything unchallenged, and therefore letting the County Council do what it wants too.

That's enough nerdy clerky stuff from me, nighty night.

Well, apparently Mr. Brian Tolver insists his actions were justified.

I hope they can get to the bottom of this and whoever decided to contribute to this video going viral/reach MSM and ridicule/defame these men unnecessarily faces the consequences.

He said Jackie Weaver — who hosted the Zoom call and removed him from it — was just present as a member of the public and “had no status to speak other than when invited

If you look at the first meeting you will see I have reason to be angry,” he said

Removing half the councillors from the meeting, denied half of the voters of the village from being represented — it was an appalling attack on their democratic rights

www.theargus.co.uk/news/19067901.i-reason-angry---star-viral-parish-meeting-sticks-guns/

In the words of the late Mandy Rice-Davies: He would, wouldn't he?

Omg...did Brian Tolver really say that @trulydelicious . Well, that changes everything, (except it doesn't. It has been explained throughout the thread if you care to read). What the chair (not really a chair anymore as he had essentially forfeited his position) says at this point holds no water.

Glad you decided to lower yourself to rejoining the "lunacy". Thought you'd given up? Couldn't resist showing us your [snort] evidence?

He said Jackie Weaver — who hosted the Zoom call and removed him from it — was just present as a member of the public and “had no status to speak other than when invited

Tolver knows full well that that is nonsense. She was there as Chief Officer of the Cheshire Association of Local Councils, brought in because of the disgraceful behaviour of himself and his mates, not least in doing their utmost to prevent meetings from happening at all over a period of several months.

@Trulydelicious, for once in this thread answer an awkward question. Do you say that that conduct was acceptable? Why?

It has been explained throughout the thread if you care to read

Read the thread...READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT!!!!!

🤣 sorry, couldn't resist. But, even seeing it written in caps like that looks weirdly aggressive. Imagine having to actually have that screamed at you by that little twerp, when your job is to come in and sort out the meeting for them, because they are so unpleasant, it can't be done without supervision. I'm honestly embarrassed for people trying to defend these guys.

Removing half the councillors from the meeting, denied half of the voters of the village from being represented — it was an appalling attack on their democratic rights

And Tolver knows that's nonsense, too. By failing to call meetings and doing his best to sabotage one when someone else calls it, he is the one denying representation to voters.

She didn't remove them from the meeting, she moved them before the meeting, not least because they were doing their best to prevent it from starting.

Again, @trulydelicious, do you condone his conduct?

Oh, and do explain exactly how you make it out that anyone was defaming these men by posting a recording which they knew full well was being made and would be published? If that recording shows them in a bad light, there are only three people who are responsible - themselves.

Can someone explain to me why TOLVER
didn’t want to have any meetings anymore
And why aled is a really scary angry cunt

READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT!!!!!

Hahahaha!

Appalling behaviour.

There are two sides to every story.

It's easy to remain calm when you have no skin in the game and know that you can kick people out at the push of a button

Watching the video, Mr. Tolver started to become frazzled when he was trying to establish some ground rules at the start of the meeting and no one was taking any notice. He is offering an explanation but everyone instantly believes what Ms. Weaver is saying, why?

I've witnessed/participated in several meetings like these (not Council related) and things can be chaotic and heated. Completely normal and unremarkable.

I just hope that the irresponsible MSM journalism that allowed this story to run unchecked and caused these men to get mocked as far as USA and Australia are held accountable for it and think about what they do next time

Everyone ‘believes’ Jackie Weaver because this meeting is part of a much bigger story which has been well documented.

Mr Tolver did not want the council to meet because he had refused to call a meeting since he, Aled’s iPhone and Mayor Barry had got together privately (no concerns about leaving his fellow councillors’ constituents unrepresented at that point) to sack the clerk, a move that has since been rescinded. He had then declared himself to be the clerk, which is simply not allowed. All this is a matter of record. Complaints had been made against him and his fellow councillors well in advance of this meeting.

Jackie Weaver was there to see the lawful council meeting go ahead. Mr Tolver was refusing to hold that meeting at the start of the zoom call, which he was not entitled to do. That is why he was removed - in pursuit of democracy.

This appears to be a parish council with lots of problems. Numerous complaints have been made including multiple complaints about councillors behaviour, issues of governance and member/officer engagement. The most recent complaints relate to suggestions that some members of Handforth Parish Council have purported to take decisions that are plainly unlawful, and these decisions have resulted in expenditure of public funds.
The video was released by an A level politics student who has an interest in the workings of councils.
Hopefully now the Council will have to take steps to correct their behaviour and rectify the allegations made against them.
It’s good when these things are made public and helps when they are so entertaining.

@Dailyhandtowelwash

this meeting is part of a much bigger story which has been well documented

Well, even the BBC are letting him explain his side of the story, so I don't know how it can be so clear to everyone who is in the wrong here

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-55946252

@trulydelicious
Seriously Aled
Step away from the keyboard