to think that Jackie Weaver is a hero to feminism?

[PyongyangKipperbang]

Because I refuse to believe that those appalling men would have spoken to another man the way they attempted to shout her down. She handled herself so beautifully.

Frankly I think she deserves to be Dame Jackie Weaver for services to common sense!

When people want to be disruptive, it's hard to manage it. I've been in a meeting that insisted a meeting be called to change the date of a planned meeting.

Unfortunately Jackie wasn't present to sort us out.

Jackie, OTH handled herself and the resulting press with aplomb.

Absolutely. In her interview with BBC, she used the opportunity to ask for greater involvement in parish councils, including more diversity & more younger people. She's super.

@Eleganz

Why have you brought 'The Right' into this? I haven't

Eleganz, I realise that!

What amazes me is that - assuming they are aged 60 to 70 - they grew up in the sixties and seventies. They listened to Bowie, the Stones, Bob Marley, Ska, Motown, they saw the start of punk. They saw their contemporaries become hippies in LA, or wear mini skirts and kipper ties in Carnaby street. On tv they watched the Vietnam war, apartheid in South Africa and the growth of black political power in the US. They watched their sisters and female cousins assert their rights as women, they saw a woman elected as PM. They lived through the three day week and the miners strike. They lived through incredibly fast moving social upheavals that changed social aspiration and expectations. But their mindset and beliefs did not budge an inch to acknowledge or accommodate change.

Their attitudes and demeanour are exactly the same as the late Harold, who was born in the 1930s. So what does it take to make a dent in the armour of male privilege that refuses to evolve.

It's such lovely sunlight isn't it.

This type of behaviour isn't just confined to councillors either. My mum has witnessed similar on various arts/ theatre committees.

It's a gleeful watch, but also depressing.

[quote trulydelicious]@Eleganz

Can I interest madam in our range of tinfoil headwear

Arobase has just spelled it out, thankfully. There could be some ulterior motives to this.

I hope people are organising for some good opposition candidates when they come up for re-election. These tinpot dictators are going to hate it so much when they no longer have any power

Perhaps an orchestrated effort to kick these men out. Makes more sense now[/quote]
How on earth is that an ulterior motive, or something that is new to you?

Anyone is entitled to stand for election. As has been pointed out, JW sensibly used the publicity to extol the benefits of more people become involved in local government. Or do you think everyone should have kept quiet about this behaviour, meekly let them stand unopposed in May, and let them carry on failing to do the job they were elected for?

@Eleganz

Are you not in favour of democratic elections having a choice between candidates

Do you mean people in Cheshire are not free to choose their candidates already and are relying on a video to go viral for democracy to kick in? I'm not following

online public shaming is also a form of bullying

Agreed. 'Cancel culture' and all that crap

No. This was a public meeting. Members of the public can attend the meetings, and did on this occasion too.

The meeting is recorded to be a public record.

That's not the same as exposing something that was initially assumed to be private. It was public to start with, and it had just been highlighted, that's all.

There's no 'cancel' bit either. All the officials are being asked to do is their job.

@ConnectFortyFour

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming jackie was the only person being paid to do this job? Naturally then she is going to be of a higher calibre than the others?

The other thing being missed in all this is that online public shaming is also a form of bullying.

Not necessarily naturally. There are plenty of local councillors who are very experienced and sensible and are at least of equivalent calibre to the clerk. You might also think that the qualified solicitor should have known rather more about the law and how to conduct local public meetings.

THink she did brilliantly, however I doubt it would have matter if it had been a man or a woman in her position, those 'elected representatives' would have had a go at whoever.

As for online public shaming, if you behave badly in a recording that you know is going to be published, that's a risk you choose to take.

I think there's been such a reaction to her is because any woman who has ever had to work with men in this sort of environment, has been treated like this or seen another women treated like this.

Yes this. Reminds me of meetings with arrogant, misogynistic, narcissistic male consultants who think women should be there to do the admin and make them drinks. Twats all of them #jackieweaverforPM 😂😂

Just watching this on YouTube. Works a difference between BBC coverage vs Sky News. BBC treating it like a joke and saying ‘everyone’s laughing’ but Sky News are actually asking Jackie questions like whether she things it was due to her sex that she was treated like that.

@wombat1a

THink she did brilliantly, however I doubt it would have matter if it had been a man or a woman in her position, those 'elected representatives' would have had a go at whoever.

This is probably true, however there was a significant misogynistic approach by Chairman Barry - he shouted down Jackie, initially & refused to allow Sue (who is also amazing) speak at all. (This was in meeting 1, the planning one that preceded meeting 2, and which he was removed from)

Earrings Totally agree. Cancel culture is just a phrase bandied about when you haven't got a reasonable argument. Along with snowflake and woke.

Anyone can attend any parish council meeting. They are not private. And the behaviour of the men booted out honestly speaks for itself.

*world of

BBC treating it like a joke and saying ‘everyone’s laughing’

I agree Cadent BBC had a shocking approach to the story, as if it were hilarious. Didn't touch on the abusive misogyny at play.

@wombat1a

THink she did brilliantly, however I doubt it would have matter if it had been a man or a woman in her position, those 'elected representatives' would have had a go at whoever.

But Jackie Weaver herself says her sex played a part in why she was treated like that.

@viques to be fair, lots of people are small minded and petty regardless of age or sex - you only have to look at some of the posters on MN! These men probably hated hippies and thought punk marked the end of civilisation.

@EarringsandLipstick

BBC treating it like a joke and saying ‘everyone’s laughing’

I agree Cadent BBC had a shocking approach to the story, as if it were hilarious. Didn't touch on the abusive misogyny at play.

Exactly Earrings. I didn’t find the video hilarious at all, the misogyny was disturbing. And it was 2 other women who stuck up for Jackie.

@Arobase I am a real, practising lawyer and I would never so much as chuckle at an alumnus of Giggleswick School, like Aled.

[quote trulydelicious]@Eleganz

Why have you brought 'The Right' into this? I haven't[/quote]
It is not insignificant that the people disapproving of JW are those who habitually pop up on various threads espousing a right wing point of view. Just as it's not insignificant that the most rabid and misogynist BTL comments on news reports are on websites like the Mail's.

The ‘Chairman’ reminds me of my ex FIL. And the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree with regards his son.

[quote Piglet89]@Arobase I am a real, practising lawyer and I would never so much as chuckle at an alumnus of Giggleswick School, like Aled.[/quote]
Me too, but I did think it was quite funny when he claimed legal advice privilege for a piece of supposed legal advice that he had just read out. And when he threatened a Non-Molestation Order which he would never get in a million years.

Perhaps an orchestrated effort to kick these men out. Makes more sense now

What with voting and stuff, perish the thought !

If the inquiry ( which began in July 2020 ) into the complaints finds nothing amiss, then they will be free to succumb to the democratic process of elections in May. Unless there is a vote of no confidence before that time ? Can they do that ? the other councillors that is ?

I suppose you could be right, there is a slim chance we have been caught up in some dark plot to oust the Chair and Vice chair, but you then have to ask why does such a plot exist ? And then you could rewatch the videos for your answer.