to think that Jackie Weaver is a hero to feminism?

[PyongyangKipperbang]

Because I refuse to believe that those appalling men would have spoken to another man the way they attempted to shout her down. She handled herself so beautifully.

Frankly I think she deserves to be Dame Jackie Weaver for services to common sense!

The whole Jackie Weaver thing really disturbs me.

It appears that some rogue geneticist has somehow acquired a 1970s vintage m and s men’s beige cardigan belonging to my late but not lamented stepfather and cloned him from the greasy remnants of DNA left on the collar. They have got the aggressive talking over women attitude spot on but haven’t quite caught the patronising Yorkshire accent he could dredge up when he thought he needed to sound manly and authoratative to women or younger men, or was speaking to waiters in restaurants.m

I hoped men like this had been buried in a mass grave on the 16th green sometime in the 1980s. What has been going on in the last forty years to encourage them, has nothing managed to crack open their narrow minds or temper their awareness that the world order has changed? It is very worrying to realise they are still trying to assert their authority by dint of loud voices and selective hearing. The sooner we are all equipped with mute buttons to shut them up the better.

The sad thing is.... they are still fronting it out.

Men like that will never ever give in and/or accept they may be wrong

@viques

The whole Jackie Weaver thing really disturbs me.

It appears that some rogue geneticist has somehow acquired a 1970s vintage m and s men’s beige cardigan belonging to my late but not lamented stepfather and cloned him from the greasy remnants of DNA left on the collar. They have got the aggressive talking over women attitude spot on but haven’t quite caught the patronising Yorkshire accent he could dredge up when he thought he needed to sound manly and authoratative to women or younger men, or was speaking to waiters in restaurants.m

I hoped men like this had been buried in a mass grave on the 16th green sometime in the 1980s. What has been going on in the last forty years to encourage them, has nothing managed to crack open their narrow minds or temper their awareness that the world order has changed? It is very worrying to realise they are still trying to assert their authority by dint of loud voices and selective hearing. The sooner we are all equipped with mute buttons to shut them up the better.

Please understand that these old duffers are in local councils all over the country and often have been councillors for decades.

viques Love your post. Yes I grew up with one too. If I started to type here, I would be all day

@Jackflash06

NC for this but she i has turned into a local hero .I live in the same village, I thought I had seen her before when I was watching her on TV.

I hope people are organising for some good opposition candidates when they come up for re-election?

These tinpot dictators are going to hate it so much when they no longer have any power. I suspect they will still turn up at meetings waving the standing orders and muttering dark threats, but at least it will be easier to exclude them when they have no status there.

I don't think anyone on here is saying that there aren't unpleasant boorish women who behave badly in meetings. However, that's not what we're talking about is it?

@Arobase

I hope people are organising for some good opposition candidates when they come up for re-election

Good, now we are talking. This is what it was all about, isn't it?

Not a puppy video that went viral

[quote trulydelicious]@Viviennemary

She wasn't elected

I agree. I bet there's more to this.

How come a council zoom meeting goes viral and makes the news?[/quote]
Literally no-one, JW included, disagrees that she wasn't elected.

The point is that it's irrelevant.

@ConnectFortyFour

online public shaming is also a form of bullying

Agreed. 'Cancel culture' and all that crap

@Roussette

I don't think anyone on here is saying that there aren't unpleasant boorish women who behave badly in meetings. However, that's not what we're talking about is it?

It is typical whataboutery because this subject is one that these people don't want to be discussed for some reason. So far we have had the following:

a) Jackie Weaver didn't have the authority and it was not democratic - False
b) there are women bullies too - So what?
c) it isn't newsworthy and this is a MSM conspiracy to push some secret agenda - Can I interest madam in our range of tinfoil headwear?

online public shaming

Everyone in that meeting knew it was being recorded and that it would be going onto Youtube. One of them even mentions this at the end. It's their own conduct that has shamed them in the eyes of the public. If they hadn't behaved so badly, the video would never have caught anyone's attention in the first place, let alone gone viral.

I thought she was absolutely awesome the way she dealt with the dreadful behaviour of a few councillors. I gather numerous complaints have now been made about those councillors and hope that the local standards board will address those complaints appropriately. Compared to that, our local town council and what they have had to deal with is nothing!

I think it has gone viral for a few reasons,
The media were scraping round for something to replace Captain Tom
We are in week whatever of lockdown
People are bored
The student got lucky in getting it to go viral.

I also don't understand why people are trying to defend the men on this, especially if you haven't gone back and watched at least some of the other videos to know that this was not a one off.

I think the other thing in the back of people's mind (most likely women) is what would have happened if this hadn't happened on zoom and that is what is giving alot of women an uneasy feeling, because most of us have been subjected to this before and without the benefit to mute or put them into another room.

[quote HenriettaHeffalump]Jackie Weaver the opera, for anyone who hasn't seen it:

[/quote] So funny. And very catchy. I think it will last more than 24hrs.

I was put off local politics when younger by men like these, I was a little surprised that they still exist.
Jackie W has been doing a sterling job using the publicity generated by this incident to encourage more people to get involved in their parish councils to combat the influence of such people and get useful things done. I’m dubious of the motives of those criticising her. Perhaps they don’t want more people involved? I wonder why? One reason might be that the more people are discouraged from getting involved in entry-level politics, the less they understand, and the more power and influence accrue to those already in charge.

@inappropriateraspberry

Ask Alexa 'Who is Jackie Weaver?' 😆

Oh my God!

Just did this - fantastic!!!

Perhaps an orchestrated effort to kick these men out. Makes more sense now

Whether that's true or not, the fact remains that it's only the men's behaviour that has made the video go viral. No one would have paid any attention to a civilised discussion about planning applications, or whatever.

@DoctorHildegardLanstrom

I also don't understand why people are trying to defend the men on this

I'm not trying to defend the men. They were all bullies and shouty - not acceptable. But hailing this lady as a national feminist hero is too much

Eleganz

Spot on! Whataboutery at it's finest!

The Vice Chairman is very objectionable, he was even nastily shouting at someone in the background where he was. Given he was sat with his Father, I presume it was his mother or wife he was being vile to. How anyone can defend this sort of behaviour, god alone knows

[quote trulydelicious]@LApprentiSorcier

A politics student who watches local council meetings as a pastime

That's what I mean. It's implausible. Something smells off here[/quote]
Not implausible at all. My DH recently watched a meeting of our local council (discussing a children’s playground). If you’re interested in local politics and (have a high boredom threshold) why not?

it's hard to believe a bunch of adults could behave so appallingly

Sadly not at all hard. Ironically, I received a copy email this weekend sent by a newish male member of a committee I'm on. It really was quite staggeringly rude, and reeks of "I know best, how dare you question me". What is particularly striking is that it's clearly not a one-off burst of temper, he's taken trouble to sit down and write out a long, offensive message and indeed to copy it to a range of people, and at no point has it occurred to him that, having got it out of his system, he really should just delete the email and start again.

[quote trulydelicious]@Eleganz

Can I interest madam in our range of tinfoil headwear

Arobase has just spelled it out, thankfully. There could be some ulterior motives to this.

I hope people are organising for some good opposition candidates when they come up for re-election. These tinpot dictators are going to hate it so much when they no longer have any power

Perhaps an orchestrated effort to kick these men out. Makes more sense now[/quote]
Really? That is what you take from that comment?

The state of the right in this country is laughable really.

This is all a big conspiracy by MSM to get rid of a few parish councillors in Cheshire? What?

Talk about clutching at straws.

The point was that the behaviour of these men should be used to provide the electorate with a choice at the next elections. Are you not in favour of democratic elections having a choice between candidates?

So, shouty/bullying person 1 presses a button and kicks shouty person 2 and shouty person 3 from a Zoom meeting. This is what happened

Why are you misrepresenting the facts, @trulydelicious? We can all see for ourselves that at no point does Jackie Weaver become shouty or bullying.