to think that Jackie Weaver is a hero to feminism?

[PyongyangKipperbang]

Because I refuse to believe that those appalling men would have spoken to another man the way they attempted to shout her down. She handled herself so beautifully.

Frankly I think she deserves to be Dame Jackie Weaver for services to common sense!

@ScreamingBeans

If women behaved like this in a professional context

But many do, though. Or do you think it's just men who can be bullies?

trulydelicious, the power of social media, so lots and lots of people see it, share it and discuss it, therefore it becomes newsworthy and the MSM takes it on. It is a human interest story.

[quote trulydelicious]@LApprentiSorcier

A politics student who watches local council meetings as a pastime

That's what I mean. It's implausible. Something smells off here[/quote]
A politics student who is actually interested in politics? Unheard of. Soon they’ll be expecting history students to be interested in history, physics students interested in physics, watch YouTube videos on these subjects, what is the world coming to...

[quote trulydelicious]@HenriettaHeffalump

Sorry, I thought it was all made up

I'm not saying it was all made up.

But I struggle to understand how this is newsworthy.

What is the media trying to achieve here?[/quote]
The media are reporting it because to has gone viral (I.e. it has been demonstrated to be of public interest). It went viral because of a politics student who looks at these videos pushing it out on Twitter and other platforms because it is hilarious.

You seem to be suggesting that the media proactively decided to make massive news out of a rancorous parish council meeting from Cheshire for some nefarious purposes and expect us to accept this is more plausible than them doing their usual lazy journalism of reactive reporting on things that go viral on social media to fill time and column inches on something other than brexit and Covid.

@frumpety

It is a human interest story

Like a puppy jumping on Youtube that goes viral with 10M views you mean?

I don't get it frankly. Let alone the 'feminist hero' bit

Jackie Weaver for prime minister! She would sort out the Eaton mess.

@Eleganz

them doing their usual lazy journalism of reactive reporting on things that go viral on social media to fill time and column inches

This is more like it. But I don't get why some here try to overengineer the incident and give her a 'national feminist hero' status

@CrisisManagement PP are saying the others would not have spoken to her like that if she were a man, true however if she were a man and the others were women I think you may all have a different opinion.

I loved how calm, mature and confident she handled herself, as she said " Appalling behaviour !"
She didn't take it personally or to heart she stood her ground

[quote trulydelicious]@Eleganz

them doing their usual lazy journalism of reactive reporting on things that go viral on social media to fill time and column inches

This is more like it. But I don't get why some here try to overengineer the incident and give her a 'national feminist hero' status[/quote]
Because that is their opinion of her actions.

Sadly there are committee and board meetings throughout the country that are dominated by rude, unprincipled and unprofessional men. That is why this has struck a chord.

But I struggle to understand how this is newsworthy

I presume you've had a humour bypass...
It was funny and horrifying all together.

And anyone doubting Jackie (GO JACKIE!) must think it's OK for nasty woman hating men to harangue and shout at women.

There is nothing strange whatsoever about it going viral. Surely those doubting it have seen the strangest things taking off and going viral for no reason whatsoever.

All hail to Jackie Weaver for using every single interview yesterday to talk about people joining parish councils and having a voice. And to say how the bullying and behaviour like this has to stop.

Anyone doubting this, needs to see the previous meetings (I have) and look into one of the male families on there. Bullies. Plain and simple.

This video needed to be seen. I know men like this. They just cannot stand a woman having the final word.

It started going viral because it looks like a British comedy of manners. But now it’s sparking conversation about bullying and misogyny and local government corruption and representation - all amongst a population bored to tears by being locked in their houses for months. I don’t see any need for a conspiracy theory.

@Eleganz I’ve enjoyed your posts very much pointing out the facts behind it all. As a fellow (I assume) governance person I totally agree. JW was there, as a senior ALC person, to ensure that the meeting, which has been lawfully called, took place - she was the one ensuring that people were represented. She was there as the bastion of democracy! It was the Chair and his associates who were trying to disrupt it, and she excluded them before the meeting began, as none of them were prepared to recognise the legitimacy of it. Given that this was the second meeting in a row, I imagine she already knew that there was no value in reasoning, and as most of us have only seen an abridged version of events, we’re probably not best places to judge her efforts in any case.

Good clerking means ensuring that the council/committee/whatever gets its work done within the rules. The Speaker of the Commons for example is advised throughout every sitting by the Commons Clerks; they’re not just there to keep the minutes. When the Speaker chucks an MP out of the Chamber for breaking the rules, it’s often on the advice of the Clerk.

[quote WestendVBroadway]@CrisisManagement PP are saying the others would not have spoken to her like that if she were a man, true however if she were a man and the others were women I think you may all have a different opinion.[/quote]
But that didn’t happen, did it? And that isn’t what is happening in business/local politics/national politics/households everywhere. You get some bullying women in every sphere, but there is no widespread existence of overbearing, bullying, aggressive women dominating meetings and decisions.

This is the article that Parker was talking about - lots of info in there! www.alderleyedge.com/news/article/21225/handforth-parish-council-are-not-fit-for-purpose

@trulydelicious

I don't get it frankly.

And yet here you are, discussing it.

[quote WestendVBroadway]@CrisisManagement PP are saying the others would not have spoken to her like that if she were a man, true however if she were a man and the others were women I think you may all have a different opinion.[/quote]
Nope. But why are we even having this hypothetical conversation?

I don't understand why anyone would attempt to twist themselves in knots to defend these men. They behaved unprofessionally and appallingly. Jackie kept calm and managed to continue with the business at hand in the face of some pretty fucking unhinged behaviour.

In case no one has ever told you this, you do not need to tolerate anyone speaking to you like these men did. Ever. Not in the workplace and not in the home.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Jackie Weaver was performing a role that has become even more crucial than it was before. My understanding is that she was sent in because other councillors requested help with the behaviour of the Tolver etc. There is clearly background here and the fact they were saying about getting kicked off indicates they'd had previous meetings and their behaviour had been as bad. I have heard her speak about the things she is called and how sexist it is. We are very lucky to have women as strong as Jackie Weaver what is worrying is that some people cannot see how very bad the behaviour of the men is.

So thank you Jackie Weaver for guarding the guards.

@Dailyhandtowelwash

But now it’s sparking conversation about bullying and misogyny and local government corruption and representation

So, shouty/bullying person 1 presses a button and kicks shouty person 2 and shouty person 3 from a Zoom meeting. This is what happened.

How do we and up talking about:

.Misoginy/Misandry
.Feminist heroes
.Local government democracy
.Eton/the PM

It's not conspiracy theory territory, but it certainly helps feed a certain rhetoric, it's not innocent MSM 'reporting' for sure

I don't understand why anyone would attempt to twist themselves in knots to defend these men

Nor me. Every woman on that call was courteous. The ejected men were not.

@dailyhandtowelwash thanks!

I have a job that both gives me contact with local councils and also means I sit on quite a few board and committees, so it is easier for me to see how these things work. The reality is that most committees function fine on a consensual basis and people get used to that, it is only when things become contentious that the rules get brought out. At that point you realise that you can't have the privileges and responsibilities of a chair of a meeting if you haven't started the meeting!

Parish councillors have to abide by a code of conduct and these men were expressly not doing that. The council chair swearing at others was enough to demonstrate a breach of that code of conduct on its own. Outside of official public council meetings that is enough for them to be asked to leave a discussion or be censured. I've seen local councillors be thrown out of meetings with council officers and other public servants for behaving poorly before and it is entirely proper that they are.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm assuming jackie was the only person being paid to do this job? Naturally then she is going to be of a higher calibre than the others?

The other thing being missed in all this is that online public shaming is also a form of bullying.

So, shouty/bullying person 1 presses a button and kicks shouty person 2 and shouty person 3 from a Zoom meeting

Who is 'shouty person 1'.

Would love to know.

Certainly not Jackie Weaver. She did not raise her voice. She did not shout.

She wasn't shouty/bullying though, that's just your (frankly) weird interpretation and if you're so against people celebrating her standing up to the abusive men, I suggest finding another thread to entertain you (or stay and continue to be bewildered, whichever you prefer).

The men came out of it very badly indeed. I bet they are secretly very embarrassed but still fronting it out!

Jackie, OTH handled herself and the resulting press with aplomb.

Only one winner emerged from that debacle!

[quote trulydelicious]@Dailyhandtowelwash

But now it’s sparking conversation about bullying and misogyny and local government corruption and representation

So, shouty/bullying person 1 presses a button and kicks shouty person 2 and shouty person 3 from a Zoom meeting. This is what happened.

How do we and up talking about:

.Misoginy/Misandry
.Feminist heroes
.Local government democracy
.Eton/the PM

It's not conspiracy theory territory, but it certainly helps feed a certain rhetoric, it's not innocent MSM 'reporting' for sure[/quote]
Pretty poor mischaracterisation of what happened here. Deliberately so, I am sure.