Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

Vinyldetctive

You do know this is complete and utter bollocks, don’t you?

One of the hardest working actresses around is Judi Dench - over 80 and untouched face. Meryl Streep, Julie Walters, Penelope Wilton - shall I go on?

but these are not beautiful actresses, they are character actresses.

I watched Penguin Bloom today on Netflix and it was so refreshing to see 53 year old Naomi Watts looking her age. She's also playing against Andrew Lincoln who is in real life 5 years younger than her.

Contrast that with Nicole Kidman, who is one year older than Naomi Watts, and is advertising skin care on her instagram page looking like a filtered photograph that's been animated. Her skin is so smooth, no marks or lines let alone wrinkles. It's a disgrace that she advertising these products when she's so obviously had work done. It's a con.

I saw the latest Felicity Kendall one, it looks like she's overdone the lip fillers which is always ghastly.
Britt Eckland did that as well and that was the end of her looks.
I suppose it's to hide upper lip wrinkling but the effect is never ever good, I'd rather have wrinkles.

Sorry, I know for a fact that Julie walkers has had work done

Id rather just go and have a facelift than pump myself full of fillers

In the long term:
More convincing
More effective
Probably cheaper

Yes. A relative had a very subtle lower face lift to lift jowls and neck. She doesn’t look loads younger, or weird, just good. It’s a really good facelift. Cost £9grand about 4 years ago. Looks more natural than fillers that seem to create a weird ‘joker mouth’..

It's sad for an oldie like me to see FK like that such a sprightly,funny part of my life back in the 70's.

@AuntieMarysCanary

But Judi Dench and Julie Walters look great

Judi Dench is in a different league- she's a Shakespearian actress as well as doing telly etc and wrinkles don't count!

JW has given up acting partly because of her health. She looks pretty 'normal' IMO for someone early 70s.

But they still look good with/in spite of the wrinkles.

They would look awful if they'd had work done. And both are big screen actresses and show how it should be done.

Shehasadiamond. Yes I saw Britt Eckland in the travel-India programme, sorry forget it’s name. She was quite a character in the best sense of the word and shone out in a dreary lacklustre group. Her cosmetic surgery was a disaster though, ruined her looks completely, which she was the first to admit. A cautionary tale.

@TramaDollface

Id rather just go and have a facelift than pump myself full of fillers

In the long term:
More convincing
More effective
Probably cheaper

I can see the appeal of filler, it's relatively cheap and it's just a few injections but I think a facelift, drastic as it is, is a better route long term than using fillers over a number of years. Jane Fonda's clearly had a facelift or two but she looks good and hasn't had to deal with a puffy filler face.

Yes to all this, and yes to those who mentioned the formerly lovely Helen Hunt in the netflix film. I watched it a few months ago and was thinking to myself "hey that older actress really looks like Helen Hunt" until I realised it actually was her. Such a shame, she was so beautiful before, God knows what she has done to her face. I cringe when I see young girls now with terrible lips and fillers at such a young age. There is a girl of about 16 in my local coffee shop who has had so much lip filler she literally cannot speak properly, and her profile looks utterly astonishing as her lips stick out about an inch from her face. I feel so bad for her. Or the fact that she felt she needed to do that.

@lalafafa

Vinyldetctive

You do know this is complete and utter bollocks, don’t you?

One of the hardest working actresses around is Judi Dench - over 80 and untouched face. Meryl Streep, Julie Walters, Penelope Wilton - shall I go on?

but these are not beautiful actresses, they are character actresses.

You clearly don’t understand what a character actress is. Any of those women would be justifiably insulted if they heard themselves described in that way.

Good clarification Vinyl.

@justasking111

I think the biggest problem women have as they age is trying to hang onto the stick thin figure in Hollywood, it is not kind to the face to be half starved, waif like is for the young and as Barbara Cartland beautifully put it.

"After forty a woman has to choose between losing her figure or her face. My advice is to keep your face, and stay sitting down."

Yes, seeing more diversity of size and shape on screen, as well as age, in women’s casting would be welcome and would combat that notion. ATM what we see are mostly size zeros with the very occasional plus size actress such as Rebel Wilson, Jessica Gunning, Dawn French or Melissa McCarthy. What is noticeable is that the larger women always have to be exceptionally, insanely, talented to succeed “despite” their size and also that they are generally obese or plus-size rather than merely middling.

It’s a form of tokenism and it’s patronising. Where are the size 10/12/14 actresses? Male actors are allowed to come in a whole range of shapes, sizes and types. Not so women.

I watched the first episode of Firefly Lane on Netflix last night and it was a striking & welcome change to see Katherine Heigel looking fantastic at maybe just a stone or two above the weight she was 15 years ago.

Cost £9 grand about 4 years ago

Just like wow, re your relatives facelift! I am trying not to be aghast as I work out I could live in the Caribbean 5* for months on that kind of money. But putting that aside, what was her (real) motivation? To look “good”? In what way? For whom? I’m just puzzled and disbelieving and cynical all at the same time.

Yep Ricki if you watch the series Friends, all 3 women are almost skeletal. Size 0 to 2 at most. The men, great big beefcake hunks, muscular, tall, athletic. The women were all tiny whiplash birds. Once I “saw” it it was sooooo strange.

Is there a dearth of roles for older women to act in because society doesn't see them as exciting adventurers? Just thinking the action/thriller format simply hasn't been developed well enough to include older women (Bond's M excepted). yet there are plenty of older men in that genre: think Harrleson/Yondu in GoG, or John Wayne in True Grit.

If older women roles are missing because older women roles aren't part of the biggest money-making genres: then make older women part of the genre. I suspect this is just a matter of time before older women can play the wizened bitter Yondu-type hardasses as well as the older blokes have done.

@SoSadBaby

Yep Ricki if you watch the series Friends, all 3 women are almost skeletal. Size 0 to 2 at most. The men, great big beefcake hunks, muscular, tall, athletic. The women were all tiny whiplash birds. Once I “saw” it it was sooooo strange.

Yes. I can’t watch that at all now.

It’s astonish how much we all apparently didn’t “see” when that was first out. Not just the sizes of the actors, either, but loads of things.

I think we are all finally waking up and becoming more critical viewers.

@Angrymum22

I hope that all the young women who have lip fillers in their teens and 20s are taking note of these actresses. Felicity Kendal has only been using them through her 60s and 70s imagine how they would have looked if they had been using them for 50years. I have a number of professional friends(dentists) who are trained to do facial aesthetics. They are so worried about future litigation that they have stopped offering lip fillers. Even in younger women after a few years they are seeing considerable disfigurement and don’t want to end up with multiple negligence cases. The lips loose their natural pigmentation and become very lumpy giving the appearance of frogsporn. And when badly done they produce a very feline look, the filler is injected too high up to remove lines and causes the lip to roll under.

I'm not sure I understand your post @Angrymum22.

Fillers now are not permanent.
Lesley Ash made that mistake.

All fillers dissolve after a few months.

They can also be dissolved immediately after injecting if someone who has them doesn't like the effect.

If those women seeing disfigurement, presumably they are having permanent fillers which no decent cosmetic dr would use.

On a lighter note, I'm wondering what frogsporn is
Is it the same as frogspawn?

Is there a dearth of roles for older women to act in because society doesn't see them as exciting adventurers?

Well look what just happened with the Sutton Hoo film (The Dig, I think?) Carey Mulligan (mid 30s) was cast as the ballsy, eccentric, determined female part in a true story. Her RL counterpart was 20 years older, but producers, commissioners, casting directors, whoever, apparently weren’t happy with that.

llikj

One fine day. If only I was a movie director.

Ricki

Nor me. The twig arms. Zero flesh. Yet the chubby men! Maybe we are critical ....

Oops ... I mean more critical

@ReluctantHomeschooler

There is so much ageism directed at actresses, I am not surprised they try to hold back the years with plastic surgery. Have you ever seen a Madonna thread on here? So much ageist venom directed at her. It’s awful 😞.

It's vile. She tries to keep fit and gets torn to shreds over it. If she piled ion the pounds that would be wrong too.

Frogsporn is filthy... and the result is usually frogspawn .

I genuinely don’t understand this. I don’t get it as pressure to look younger as it doesn’t make people look younger even if that’s the aspiration and I’m not sure anyone perceives it to be better or even something good in its own right? I genuinely don’t think excessively thin women are aspirational either. In real life I’m very each to there own and would never say any of this out loud, but can anyone explain? Maybe it’s a beauty is in the eye of the beholder thing?!