Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

I would be delighted to look as good as Signourney Weaver in my 70s.

It appears one must look like melted tupperware or have a spring in your step and an upright spine.
Can't you just be a kindly, older, wiser person?

How true. Although I suppose actresses are mostly a different breed, to be fair. But even they can still ruin their faces and only a lucky few don’t, Joanna Lumley being one of them.

The puffy face eg carol vordemann does not look real or beautiful. Attractive perhaps, slightly younger, but not beautiful. Attractive can be fake, maybe it’s even the definition of fake! But beauty has to have some substantial truth to it ; it has to be fundamentally real.

It can be embellished of course. Some make up, nice clothes can highlight beauty even more. But when you fundamentally alter it, which is what cosmetic surgery does, it is rarely experienced as real beauty.

As for looking younger, nothing screams God’s Own Waiting Room than sitting in a restaurant surrounded by couples where all the women have had cosmetic procedures. A cuppa in Greggs is a more vitalising experience.

I know they're not film stars but Pru Leith and Mary Berry still look good in their 80s and I'm not sure either of them has had work done.
But they are very much a minority of older women on tv compared to several male presenters in their 70s 80s, even 90s for David Attenborough.

@bluebluezoo

Isn’t that what most of us do? It’s not unusual

I’m not so sure it is any more.

Botox and fillers are pretty much routine “grooming” now, alongside waxing, tanning, nails and eyebrows.

Good grief. Not for me they aren't.

Strange but true,millions of women cannot afford the standard botox and fillers or grooming products

And - more money than sense - is an expression that comes to mind.

Most, not all, but most of the women who have been mentioned as not having had work are those for whom good looks have been less of a factor in their careers.
If may be easier for women whose looks have not been such an important part of their identity to accept the changes of age.
Like it or not, good looks can bring women advantage and power in ways that less asthetically pleasing women do not experience.
It is understandable it may be difficult to relinquish this.

I dont have an issue with people wanting to do this stuff to themselves, but I will say it generally looks crap and blatant.

On the other side however im glad theres an outlet for plastic surgery to be utilised and practiced so it can be improved for burns victims etc.

I had a horrific looking facial injury when i was a child and I wanted to walk around with my face covered and did so as far as I could get away with. These days it looks like a little bit of reddish skin from a scar and people dont even notice. Thank god I got the chance to have surgery because it was destroying my mental health. I still own no mirrors and despise being near anybody taking photos, but its no longer on a conscious level at which i hate to see myself or others seeing me.

Not your body. Not your business. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t know, I was feeling pretty confident about ageing until Zoom meetings became a thing, either I have aged disproportionately in one year or camera’s are much less forgiving than mirrors. I look like a deflated tortoise. I imagine if you’re job is to be constantly on camera the pressure must be intense. But the smoothed out faces project an unrealistic view of women aging.

If there was a pill that you could take so that you would retain natural looking youthful looks well into old age, inexpensive and no side effects, who would take the pill and who would decide to age naturally?

*You are deliberately being obtuse now. They have ALL spoken out about the hideous pressure to conform but you simply dont want to accept it as it doesnt fit the narrative you want to believe. Even IF Judi dench has consistently worked that is still ONE actress amongst a plethora of others who struggle to find work.

Sad that you cant believe what women tell you about an industry they actually work in*

It’s not me who’s being obtuse, have you actually bothered to read what I said. What part of one of the most ageist industries on the planet did you fail to understand? Of course I believe what they say, I don’t need them to say it to believe it.

Unlike you, I don’t think we should just shrug and say that’s the way it is. It needs changing and I wish more actresses - those with power and influence - would say enough and refuse to just roll over and obliterate every sign of age and character from their beautiful faces.

These threads are a hoot.

Honestly , there is a tribe on MN who simply think it's immoral to do anything to your face except slather it in Nivea and let nature take its course. They come out of the woodwork every single time there is a thread on fillers etc etc.

The trot out the old stuff 'grow old gracefully', 'go grey gracefully'. 'you can always tell if someone has had something done.'

Well no, you can't. if they LOOK as if they have had something done that's because it's overdone.

You simply can't spot women who have had 'good' tweaks because it's not obvious.

But the bottom line is, it's a personal choice, just like having your hair dyed or your legs waxed or your teeth straightened. None of those are necessary. Do you criticise women for that too?

If something is out there in the future when I want to keep looking the best I can, without looking 'overdone', then when the time comes, bring it on.

High Definition filming will have made things worse. Somebody a few posts down mentioned seeing yourself on Zoom, imagine seeing yourself writ large on a cinema screen.

a tortoise.....oh dear. I look like a sheep, one eye higher than the other and a long sheepy face with bad teeth.
Happy Days.

Well no, you can't. if they LOOK as if they have had something done that's because it's overdone. You simply can't spot women who have had 'good' tweaks because it's not obvious

It’s pretty obvious when someone looks considerably younger than they did last week!

The bottom line is that for women in the entertainment industry it isn’t down to personal choice. They’re pressurised into it and that’s wrong. It’s also making it less of a personal choice for other women.

It’s not the women who have this stuff done I criticise, it’s the society that makes them think it’s desirable or necessary. Or that age is something to be ashamed of.

These threads always attack the women in Hollywood who've had the work done, rather than the system which stops giving them lead roles when they hit 35. At 37 Maggie Gillehall was told she was too old to play the love interest of an actor in his late 50s

It needs changing and I wish more actresses - those with power and influence - would say enough and refuse to just roll over and obliterate every sign of age and character from their beautiful faces.

Very few actors have significant power and influence beyond the amount of funding and profit their name can generate. Most actors can be easily replaced.

I think you are blaming the wrong people.

Who should I be blaming @merrymouse?

It's easy to find data that shows how under represented older women are in tv and films.

A handful of successful older women doesn't alter this fact.

@VinylDetective

Who should I be blaming *@merrymouse*?

The people in the industry who actually control casting decisions - producers, directors, casting directors. The people in the industry who have the power to green light projects - film distributors, commissioning editors, controllers.

Actors are obviously very visible, but because there are so many more actors than parts, only a minority have any power.

@SinisterBumFacedCat

I don’t know, I was feeling pretty confident about ageing until Zoom meetings became a thing, either I have aged disproportionately in one year or camera’s are much less forgiving than mirrors. I look like a deflated tortoise. I imagine if you’re job is to be constantly on camera the pressure must be intense. But the smoothed out faces project an unrealistic view of women aging.

Very true. I really have to knock the vanity on the head when it comes to zoom as I am constantly horrified by how I look on camera. I also know I weigh less than I have in years, and I think I look really chunky. I don't think I look considerably worse than I did last year ( I hope not anyway!) but I feel really old now. I have to put it out of my mind and not obsess about it. I can't imagine how people feel about seeing themselves on HD on screen.

I hope that all the young women who have lip fillers in their teens and 20s are taking note of these actresses. Felicity Kendal has only been using them through her 60s and 70s imagine how they would have looked if they had been using them for 50years.
I have a number of professional friends(dentists) who are trained to do facial aesthetics. They are so worried about future litigation that they have stopped offering lip fillers. Even in younger women after a few years they are seeing considerable disfigurement and don’t want to end up with multiple negligence cases.
The lips loose their natural pigmentation and become very lumpy giving the appearance of frogsporn. And when badly done they produce a very feline look, the filler is injected too high up to remove lines and causes the lip to roll under.

It appears one must look like melted tupperware or have a spring in your step and an upright spine. Can't you just be a kindly, older, wiser person?

This. I’m not that bothered what famous actresses do to their faces - except maybe on an aesthetic level and not being able to act because their faces are so frozen. (Also, for some of them, the strange results or results that make them look unrecognisable as the person formerly known as X mean you almost have to turn away). But they’re rich and successful and no doubt live a charmed life in the goldfish bowl where this is normalised. So, whatever, I suppose.

What gets me is the normalising of this for other women, relatively ordinary but obviously well off women, who do this for what reason is never clear. They’re not fading starlets chasing some past dream like Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard. No paparazzi are running up to them in the street. They say things like to “refresh” or look less tired, but that doesn’t compute at all to me.