Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

It's nothing to do with feminism.

If a woman wants to look her best for HERSELF that is what she's doing.

Not for men or society.

I fail to understand why so many women insist (and bully) it's something else and try to force women to think it's feminism.

Sorry, but it absolutely IS a feminist issue. And to try to argue otherwise is ridiculous.

And I say that as someone who wears make-up every day, diets, dyes my hair, whitens my teeth, removes body hair, etc, etc. etc.

Of course it’s a feminist issue! It impacts on women (as a group) in a way that it does not impact on men.

We’re all affected by it - by the implicit and explicit pressure to look good.

Some women are able to ignore it. Many aren’t, and I include myself in that.

Yes, I ‘choose’ to do all the things I listed above, but come on. Those choices aren’t made in a vacuum.

We need people to be realistic if we’re going to have these conversations.

@eddiemairswife

Even Jezebel did her hair and make-up before leaping to her death.

I wonder if it's the number of times you ahve fillers etc that makes the difference. So the first few times people look good for their age, but over time, and over time their actual skin and muscle is ageing, it results in increased puffiness and lumpiness.

Sorry, but it absolutely IS a feminist issue. And to try to argue otherwise is ridiculous. And I say that as someone who wears make-up every day, diets, dyes my hair, whitens my teeth, removes body hair, etc, etc. etc .Of course it’s a feminist issue! It impacts on women (as a group) in a way that it does not impact on men. We’re all affected by it - by the implicit and explicit pressure to look good.

What IS anti-feminist is to insist that your opinions trump another woman's.

I am a feminist. I was the first in my family to go to uni. I worked and and supported myself 100% until I had a child at 32. I stand up for women's rights.

The fact I like to wear make up and may in time have a touch of filler is nothing to do with how men promote the look of an ideal woman. That's just bollocks.

You need to stop buying into the 'feminism' brainwashing.

I find your comments insulting and patronising.

@PinkyParrot

I wonder if it's the number of times you ahve fillers etc that makes the difference. So the first few times people look good for their age, but over time, and over time their actual skin and muscle is ageing, it results in increased puffiness and lumpiness.

No @PinkyParrot because fillers are temporary and they last anywhere from 4 -12 months, gradually being absorbed into the skin.

The fact I like to wear make up and may in time have a touch of filler is nothing to do with how men promote the look of an ideal woman. That's just bollocks.

OK.

Interesting that I make the same ‘choices’ that you do, but I’m nowhere near as defensive about them.

I agree and it send the message that aging women can’t be beautiful which of course they can.
But to be honest I feel the same about anything which grossly distorts peoples features - lip fillers/false eyelashes - it makes us forget what people really look like...

It used to be all ages - have you read what Judy Garland had to do to herself to meet the demands of Hollywood's ideal, some of it before she was cast as Dorothy at 17?

Felicity Kendall was always known for looking far younger than she was: that pixie look she had attracted the casting directors, so the pressure on her to keep her youthful look must have been immense.

@littlepattilou Oh thanks for saying that, a relief there are some normal people around. I hate these modern pc trends, they want to be oh so correct and are just spouting paternalistic jargon.
As for saying they are doing what they like to their face...but are they? They are made to feel crap about themselves and then they have to do something about it, and that has to do with being confident. A little tweak to correct a problem, fine. But some have just gone way too far.

@AuntieMarysCanary, well said. There is a difference between guilding the lily and turning the lily into a daffodil.

Think I'll don some dungarees and never wash my hair.Mind you, the bra went at the beginning of lockdown.

This isn’t about wearing makeup or individual women’s choices about doing whatever they like to their faces. It’s about a society that makes women feel the need to obliterate every sign of age as if ageing is shameful. A society that’s made youth a deity at whose altar we feel obliged to worship.

It’s about women becoming invisible as they get older, all the derogatory terms applied to women all prefaced by “old”. Old bag, old trout.

Every woman in the public eye is pressurised to fight back the years and that trickles down to the rest of us. How many women would make the choice to have stuff injected into her face if society wasn’t telling her age is ugly?

I do agree about our society’s attitude to age. But what really baffles me is that it doesn’t work. No one is under any illusion that any of the older women or men mentioned on this thread are younger than they are. They may be in their 50s, 60s or 70s and have no wrinkles but they don’t look young, just increasingly strange or emotionless the more they do it.

Some do have “better”, less obvious work done but again they don’t usually look significantly younger.

So the end result isn’t lots of young-looking old actresses getting all the young parts. There are always more young ones coming up to take the “25yo love interest of 50yo man” parts.

I do agree about our society’s attitude to age. But what really baffles me is that it doesn’t work. No one is under any illusion that any of the older women or men mentioned on this thread are younger than they are. They may be in their 50s, 60s or 70s and have no wrinkles but they don’t look young, just increasingly strange or emotionless the more they do it

This, it’s like the fashion for huge eyelashes, massive eyebrows, heavy contouring, drawing a huge top lip outside the natural line look.

It does not look better, in fact I’d argue it looks far worse, especially when you add the pout for photos.

It’s almost dysphoria. Where you start with foundation a shade darker, eyebrows a little heavier, standard fake eyelashes...
Then you add a bit more everyday, as now what looks “normal” to you in the mirror gets further and further away from natural. And without it all you think you look startlingly pale, no lips or eyebrows- when anyone else thinks you look fine.

I think it’s the same with fillers and botox. Start with a little. Then a bit more, then without it looks alien to you, so you keep doing it.

It's hard to see the purpose of all this work.

In the Undoing NKs face was immobile which proved distracting and meant you couldn't understand what emotions she was trying to portray. I doubt any director or producer would willingly want that as a look, particularly as she was a woman married to Hugh Grant who gloriously looked all of his 60 years, with a teenage son.

It's not always to look young it can be to look better. We like to look at attractive faces. I can't think of an ugly or unattractive lead actor - Brian Cox in succession was old but his face was characterful . Diana rigg in got was old but again still attractive.

So those ravishingly beautiful Hollywood actresses are having work done to look better and it’s nothing to do with age? Not buying it.

@VinylDetective

This isn’t about wearing makeup or individual women’s choices about doing whatever they like to their faces. It’s about a society that makes women feel the need to obliterate every sign of age as if ageing is shameful. A society that’s made youth a deity at whose altar we feel obliged to worship.

It’s about women becoming invisible as they get older, all the derogatory terms applied to women all prefaced by “old”. Old bag, old trout.

Every woman in the public eye is pressurised to fight back the years and that trickles down to the rest of us. How many women would make the choice to have stuff injected into her face if society wasn’t telling her age is ugly?

This is brilliantly perceptive.Thank you @VinylDetective for such an articulate post.

I was peeking through “Vogue” this evening. In one photo it’s clear angelina jolie has had Botox/filler, and it’s not a good look. Younger, yes, but puffy and generic. It doesn’t really bother me, as I’ve never been interested in the kind of films she acts in (and find her her glacial-but-chummy persona annoying, but hey that’s Hollywood!). It does p* me off though when actresses like Nicole do it, as I think it genuinely detracts from her ability to act. She looks like a mannequin in all her recent stuff, but so smug about it at the same time. I don’t get it !

There is a difference between guilding the lily and turning the lily into a daffodil

Interesting, though I’m not sure I quite understand? Genuine question.

I think there is a difference between wearing some lipstick or a beautiful skirt, and someone sticking a needle of chemicals in my face.

One is adornment, to make what is already lovely more beautiful. You add to what is already lovely to bring out it’s beauty. You don’t normally adorn something ugly. Cosmetic surgery is something entirely different and involves eradication of what is.

I also find it ironic that many of the people who pursue cosmetic surgery, are in favour of the new age healthy body pursuit. FK herself, in the article, extols the virtues of yoga. Yoga involves energy lines and meridian lines and chakras, which I personally believe are all messed up by cosmetic surgery!

@PinkyParrot

It's not always to look young it can be to look better. We like to look at attractive faces. I can't think of an ugly or unattractive lead actor - Brian Cox in succession was old but his face was characterful . Diana rigg in got was old but again still attractive.

I have a thing Brian Cox .

@PinkyParrot

It's not always to look young it can be to look better. We like to look at attractive faces. I can't think of an ugly or unattractive lead actor - Brian Cox in succession was old but his face was characterful . Diana rigg in got was old but again still attractive.

Generally speaking ugly people don't get those kinds of roles. Even people on film who are meant to be regular or unattractive tend to fall within a certain spectrum. They are rarely weird looking, disconcerting, they usually don't have bad skin. Those kinds of faces are really distracting when you are trying to watch anything.

Most people with good looks keep a nice symmetrical face as they age, if nothing else.

I think with actresses they are going after the middle aged woman kind of roles, which typically seem to go to women who look like very well preserved 40 year olds, rather than just normal frumpy ones. They know they aren't getting the young roles, and the older lady roles tend not to be as plentiful or prestigious.

The change to high definition tv has made all this worse, I think.

I have a thing Brian Cox

Yeah, me too. Ever since Sharpe's Rifles.

Thank you @BitOfFun, that means a lot.

One is adornment, to make what is already lovely more beautiful. You add to what is already lovely to bring out it’s beauty. You don’t normally adorn something ugly

And this probably sums up why I have never worn make up.

Adornment doesn’t have to mean “make up” though Bluezoo. It could be a child wearing a bow or a queen wearing a tiara or a man wearing a fabulous tie. I don’t believe you are ugly.