Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

Maybe I am taking some glee from it. I remember watching The Good Life as a young teen and realising I was more Penelope Keith than Felicity Kendall.
I've never been naturally beautiful and I would love to have been - doesn't matter so much now I'm 50. To be that attractive and then throw it away in pursuit of looking younger seems really sad to me, like Nicole Kidman who I think would look amazing without procedures so we could see her acting again

These people are loaded and have lovely lives I'm sure so I don't feel sorry for them. A few tweaks are fine but the women mentioned in the OP are not 'holding the years back ' but making themselves look monstrous. As a PP said it's so distracting you're not listening to a word they say.

When my DH saw FK the other say he said, 'Holy shit!' and not in a good way.

Ive had botox once on my laughter lines...it was great and i looked " well."
My lines didn't disappear whih is good as i want to look smiley but they were less derp and i looked less knackered.
A beautiful young lady( 20 years younger than me) had lip fullers...she looks ok but didn't need it.
I think J lo, posh spice, Joanna lumley and helen mirren look amazing.
However, older women who are natural also look great. FK does look strange though.

What is at fault here is the media.

Even John Wayne had fairly extensive plastic surgery.

Male stars often wear lifts to enhance their height too.

@SelkieQualia

Because it's almost impossible to get work as an actress after the age of 40, unless you are playing a dying grandmother.

Beat me to it. Whilst she's a great actress, see the casting of Carey Mulligan (35) to play a woman who was 56 at the time of the story in The Dig.

I did some work with Felicity Kendall a few years back (voiceover stuff). She was highly professional, smart, funny and kind. I worked with her for two days and enjoyed every minute. She is a masterful deployer of the conspiratorial wink.

I don’t give a fuck what she does to her own face.

The pressure to do this on some actresses especially must be enormous. Peer pressure, as all your friends get it done and then you look noticeably older, is hard enough in normal life but must be very difficult if you are in Hollywood.

On an everyday level, in my 40s a lot of friends are doing it and people have suggested to me I do it and it's a strange thing when you look in the mirror and your face is lined/melting etc. Even on MN there are so many advocates for botox saying it makes them look 'refreshed' 'less angry' or whatever.

I'm determined not to do it myself but not under an illusion of growing into an ageing beauty, just that I will focus on things other than looks. If I was an actress it might be a different story

"Name one. Some may look more natural than others, but they've all had work done if they're over 45."

Kate Winslet
Sigourney Weaver
Julia Roberts
Emma Thompson
Julianne Moore
Jodie Foster

We’re not allowed to say someone’s plastic surgery looks bad now? Do we pretend it hadn’t happened in the name of being supportive to women? Madness. You don’t have to be a bitch about it but I’m not blind...some of these cosmetic procedures look bad.

I'm not sure why the likes of FC do it tbh, I mean even if the surgery looks wonderful there's no way she's going to get work playing a 40 year old, everyone knows she's in her 70's.
I don't understand that at all.

I get the 30 somethings nipping the signs of ageing in the bud because they want to maintain their youthful features for as long as possible.

@Hyperfish101

We’re not allowed to say someone’s plastic surgery looks bad now? Do we pretend it hadn’t happened in the name of being supportive to women? Madness. You don’t have to be a bitch about it but I’m not blind...some of these cosmetic procedures look bad.

Yes of course we are.

But this thread isn't about plastic surgery, is it?

It's about criticising women's choices to have some type of procedure from a tiny drop of Botox, to a full face lift.

As far as we know FK has not had a face lift. None of us know. She's said she used to have Botox but now doesn't. That was the starting point of this thread.

What's wrong is women judging other women on their choices as if it's morally wrong- rather than saying some cosmetic surgery has resulted in looking overdone.

Many women have had good surgery- Anne Robinson looked great, Jane Fonda looks fab for 84 or whatever, Mary Archer looked very natural (and 'fragrant' as the judge said.)

The articles in the Mail and the Express are horrible. They are there as click bait. If you don't know that you are naive.

Of course FK doesn't look 'good'- that's the whole point of the article to provoke comments like there are here.

Helen Mirren has had around 3 face and neck lifts- there was a pic of her in a supermarket in the US wearing a headscarf and bandages around her face and neck. It's no secret.
She still has wrinkles and she doesn't look plastic.

What I hate is the fashion for young women to have huge trout lips, slug eyebrows and inflated boobs through surgery.

I find it quite acceptable for a women of 50+ to have a few tiny tweaks with Botox or fillers, done sparingly, to give a bit if support to sagging cheeks or jowls.

What's wrong is women judging other women on their choices as if it's morally wrong- rather than saying some cosmetic surgery has resulted in looking overdone.

It is morally wrong that women’s worth rests in their youth, or appearance of youth, and beauty. And sad that women in the public eye are buying into this rather than pushing against it.

I think naturally ageing women are very beautiful. It makes me sad that so many women feel they need enhancement.
I don't know what the answer is.

It is morally wrong that women’s worth rests in their youth, or appearance of youth, and beauty. And sad that women in the public eye are buying into this rather than pushing against it

You do realise that for actresses, they have no choice but to look as young as possible in order to keep working? Lots of them have been very very vocal about the pressure on women to have tweaks due to the fact its hard AF getting roles in acting for women over 40.
But yes, lets all blame THEM rather than the patriarchal society that caused this whole issue in the first place eh? Super helpful.

There is a lot of people who feel that what people chose to do with their own faces is entirely their business. But that ignores the wider implication for women. For us, for our daughters. When you make a decision to permanently cosmetically alter your face, you are contributing to the problem of women being judged/expected not to age/primary goal being to look attractive. You don't solve society's obsession with female appearance by attempting to appease it.

I think naturally ageing women are very beautiful

Me too. Though it may seem strange and counterintuitive to say it.

(The stretched face excludes so much. When it gets to the “boiled egg” stage we’re looking at an android really not a human.)

You don't solve society's obsession with female appearance by attempting to appease it

So, by not appeasing it you mean nasty cruel click bait articles in the daily mail? because so far, that strategy isnt really working is it?
Young women are still getting fillers and botox at a young age regardless of whether you personally hate it.

Might be time to consider another strategy other than calling women names and telling them theyre "ruined" as its not working is it?.........

Women aren't allowed to age. They become objects of pity and scorn.
This is so entrenched that you find lots of threads on S&B - not wanting to look like a mum/don't wear mum boots/avoid mum coats etc because the process of growing older and parenting devalues a woman's worth. It must be hard for Felicity Kendall, ever in people's minds as Barbara Good.

@AllTheFloralCurtains

Pressure of society and Hollywood. Must be horrifically hard. Instead of pointing fingers and saying shame on them, we need to have shame on the society that causes it

100% this.

And any of us that get Botox or use anti ageing cream or lament at our wrinkles or judge people, favourably or unfavourably, for looking older / younger than they are, are all part of the problem.

Yes, the women are under pressure from a system of misogyny, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. The doctors and ''professionals" are to blame for having a business model that will tell women to have more and more facial procedures, until there is deformity. I feel sorry for women in their twenties, who are in a peer group where fillers etc are normal. What will they look like at 50? There are young women now who have saggy lips when they remove fillers. And all to attain a pornographic look, for who? I love an older woman in a bold lipstick who looks confident, why can't that be enough? Why must ageing be such a steep hill to climb?Can't we look at our achievements? Having a reasonable quality of life is an achievement in a system where women are so hated.

I'd be surprised if Sally Thomsett has had plastic surgery, I just thought she looked ill.

Looks like life has been kinder to Julie Dawn Cole on the other hand, who is only seven years younger.

As is using the term "menopausal" as an insult.
It happens to every woman. I've heard it used in that way, even by younger women.
Part of the pressure.

I don’t get annoyed by the work people have done. They do what they like to their own bodies.

What does wind me up is people in the public eye who get cosmetic surgery, and then say they’ve had nothing done! It gives others unrealistic expectations.

I actually think things are getting better slowly and there are far more mature women on British TV and film these days and in a much wider variety of roles. Hollywood is way behind though.