Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

@wowier

We celebrate schadenfreude to make ourselves feel better and do a little happy dance if we see that a beautiful woman has flaws/cellulite, etc. Until we stop dong that, women will feel obliged to go under the knife to achieve what she perceives is what's needed. It is tragic.

Does we mean men & women? Men can be very derogatory about how women look.

As a model you soon learn that no one is perfect, absolutely everyone has some kind of flaw or whatever but I don't see it as a bad thing.
I also think people forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder so one person thinks 'x' celeb has a beautiful face but some else sees something else. That criticism is generally labelled as jealously when it's just a different opinion.

I'm not sure that men get cellulite but if they do, it's not talked about or 'papped' as often as women are.

Men can certainly be very derogatory about how women look; women also can be derogatory about how women look. I'm not sure that men suffer in the same way or the same degree, by either sex. So women get a double-whammy...

You've clearly just seen work done badly.

Is it that though? How come so many rich & famous people struggle to get good work? I think most botox & fillers are noticeable when a face is in motion.

I'm not sure that men get cellulite but if they do, it's not talked about or 'papped' as often as women are.

No my point was most women are aware most women have cellulite. It's men who often think it's disgusting or whatever. It wasn't about men having cellulite.

I imagine that people constantly spouting their opinions on your appearance will do that to a person. For example this thread 🙄 or maybe they got the surgery simply because they want too. Worry about yourself op

You've clearly just seen work done badly.

Nope. It’s everywhere. Vast numbers of women in London have work done. Most Hollywood actresses above a certain age have had work. You couldn’t only see bad work if you tried.

This is just the self deception that women who have these treatments run to.

@TatianaBis I wouldn’t say that’s always true, I’ve known women who I didn’t know had work until they told me. I don’t think it’s always a blanket thing.

I was reading an article about fillers. They used to think that they dissolved over time but now they believe that the filler actually breaks downs and disperses throughout the face. So initially you look good, just 'well rested', but over time people end up with that pillowface look as the filler just accumulates.

@Blackberrycream

This is really not a point and laugh thread. I think people are just wondering how this has become so normalised. I remember there was a bit of a fuss about Keane Reaves girlfriend. She has grey hair and some wrinkles! Apparently she is an artist. I looked at the photos and thought firstly that she is a very good looking woman with lovely bone structure. She also looks animated and so confident and comfortable in herself. I love Iris Apfel too. There is no fading into the background there. That is what I aspire to!

A couple of years ago, I worked with an utterly beautiful male actor who'd been a male model in the 90s. An model, in fact, I'd had poster of on my bedroom wall, which gave me a couple of days of struggling to work with him, because I kept thinking "oh god, I used to practice kissing on your poster!!"

Imagine our shock when this stunning man's partner turned out to be short, stocky, greying and ordinary looking. Imagine a room of terribly glam actor types watching him greet her with delight and affection. Imagine us trying to get our superficial brains around that being ok...

(PS: obviously it's ok - and she was a perfectly normal, attractive woman. I'm commenting more on the way this career wharps your brain so that you can't get your head round a woman not spending her every waking hour on her appearance and being happy anyway. )

You've clearly just seen work done badly.

How is that true? Why would multi millionaire Hollywood actresses who can afford the best have bad work? We can see clear as day they’ve had work.

@wowier

You've clearly just seen work done badly.

Is it that though? How come so many rich & famous people struggle to get good work? I think most botox & fillers are noticeable when a face is in motion.

Lip fillers in particular are very noticeable when the person is talking. The distortion of the natural shape becomes more obvious when you see the lips move.

@wowier

You've clearly just seen work done badly.

Is it that though? How come so many rich & famous people struggle to get good work? I think most botox & fillers are noticeable when a face is in motion.

By bad work she really means visible work. But less visible work is not necessarily because the work is better, but because there is less of it - this is more wrt fillers and Botox than surgery, but it can apply to surgery too.

@LaMarschallin

I wondered if Sally Thomsett was on steroids. She had the typical balloon face and her abdomen looked very swollen, to the point where I wondered if she has ascites or a tumour.

Another contestant - Lindyanne something - on the other hand, had obviously had a gallon of Botox and was rigid from the eyes up.

I agree with you about Sally T, LaM, she looked most unwell to me and I don't think it looked like cosmetic surgery at all.

@wowier

I'm not sure that men get cellulite but if they do, it's not talked about or 'papped' as often as women are.

No my point was most women are aware most women have cellulite. It's men who often think it's disgusting or whatever. It wasn't about men having cellulite.

Ah I see what you meant, yes I agree with that.

As an old gimmer it shocks me how much this overspills into everyday life and the pressure goes on to "normal" people to do it
In the last few years two of my children have got married. Before both weddings I was asked by one or two people if I would be visiting a local clinic favoured by Northern soap stars for filler or botox (question always met with a steely glare). Now I may be no oil painting, I have saggy bits and, honestly, I don't look as good as I did at 21 but I have seen women my age locally who don't even look like themselves on their children's wedding photos and surely your family want to see Mum on their photos, not some stylised stranger.

I do think it's worrying when we see minor celebs like those in TOWIE, etc who are struggling to speak properly because of lip fillers. Maybe it's evolution, we will all end up pouting and grunting

I'm mostly angry with surgeons, those 'respectable' professionals who get paid handomely to routinely maime women.

Haven't RTFT but Joanne Lumley looks wonderful and is (appears to be) ageing naturally.

I find using the term "actor" for both men and women really irritating. Acting is one profession where your gender is important. A doctor, no, a police officer, no, but an actor/actress gets their job based on their gender.

And all the actresses I know are quite happy to be called just that. And it's not just a "subset" of a male job, it's from the French where masculine and feminine forms of the same word exist.

And it's not just a

The only female actor I know who calls herself an actress is trans. I've played mate and female roles, and so have most of the female actors I know.

Besides, you get asked for your pronouns at auditions these days anyway.

Kendal fortunately does not look as bad as the screenshots!! I just looked at the I player clips. Sadly she does look rather silly. Especially as neck and hands cannot be ironed so there is an obvious mismatch.

Let the wrinkles happen and let the face move. Looks so much better.

Yes the ageism in films is mindbendingly stupid. Maggie Gyllenahaal once said in an interview that she was turned down for a role as she was only 17 years younger than the male lead. And they needed someone younger than that to play his love interest.

I agree with this, it's awful. The often used example of Kristin Scott Thomas as Ralph Fiennes' lover in the English Patient. Then 20 years later she's playing his lover's mother.

Also, Brody's wife in Homeland. Damien Lewis was about 40, but the actor playing his wife was barely 30. They had teenage kids, so she was clearly supposed to be the same age as him in the programme. But obviously looked a lot better/younger than a 40 year old. Really annoyed me.

I find using the term "actor" for both men and women really irritating. Acting is one profession where your gender is important. A doctor, no, a police officer, no, but an actor/actress gets their job based on their gender.

Not gender- sex.

Don't hollywood men get a lot of work done, too?

fwiw, this guy does not look 88 yrs old (pic taken mid 2019).

Just as an aside, my grandmother - who thought dying one's hair was very tarty - used to marvel innocently at the queen having not a single grey at 50: "I wish my hair stayed nice like that".

We're being asked to believe similar nonsense by the "all down to good genes, a healthy lifestyle and this face cream I'm peddling" brigade.

No my point was most women are aware most women have cellulite. It's men who often think it's disgusting or whatever. It wasn't about men having cellulite.

I disagree. Men care way less about little flaws as long as the overall package appeals. It was women that spent years worrying about whether their bum looked big in this.
Aren’t lip fillers are a trend like hair extensions and a ton of make up.No one thinks they actually look “better” but they do think they are looking good in terms of what’s fashionable.
I’ve noticed fewer actresses having the classic fake boobs these days. Hopefully fillers will go the same way.

I found this fascinating.
Natural aging versus how they actually look (distorted, basically).
Lumley has had work done!!