Actresses - Feel so cross - ruined by plastic surgery

[Thisisnotreallymyname]

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks.
Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........
Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ?
I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

I don't know what this thread will achieve though?

A discussion about plastic surgery I’d imagine.

We celebrate schadenfreude to make ourselves feel better and do a little happy dance if we see that a beautiful woman has flaws/cellulite, etc

Wtf? Speak for your self - I find that completely alien.

@Thisisnotreallymyname

Feel so sad - been watching TV and why is it that women ( in the main ) feel the need to absolutely ruin their faces with fillers, Botox, face lifts, to the point where they look deformed, or like they are wearing shiny masks. Felicity Kendal last night on Graham Norton, Fern Britton on Mastermind, Sally Thomsett on Pointless Celeb........ Do they not see what we see when they look in the mirror ? I’ve nothing against PSurgery, but my God, please know when to stop !

IABU - they look fine
IANBU -they look awful .

I think Felicity K has given up having anything done to her face- that's what she says in interviews- that she used to have Botox.

I think her face sadly has always been rather lined for years - even photos of her in 1985- and she never had a top lip really.

Sadly I think what you see is her au naturel.

Good it's right that they get slated..... Too many young women want to emulate some of these "plastic celebs". Rather we bitch about them than go on about how wonderful they look. They put themselves in the public's eye and thrive on attention and undeserving admiration. Why the hell shouldn't we gripe about them. Celebs aren't meant to be just fawned over. Why is it strange to have an opinion on this?

Lol what bollocks ! They ARE slated - do you live under a rock? Women who get OTT plastic surgery are mocked relentlessly in the press and women who have no PS are mocked for “letting themselves go”. But sure- attacking their looks and calling people ugly truly works wonders doesn’t it? That will completely remove the pressure women feel about their looks!!! If only we had thought of this strategy before- what a genius you are!!! 🙄🙄🙄

I think the biggest problem women have as they age is trying to hang onto the stick thin figure in Hollywood, it is not kind to the face to be half starved, waif like is for the young and as Barbara Cartland beautifully put it.

"After forty a woman has to choose between losing her figure or her face. My advice is to keep your face, and stay sitting down."

@willFOURbagsbeenough

The beauty industry stands to collapse if we allow women to believe their naturally ageing bodies are acceptable. Thats men losing money and that just won’t be allowed to happen.

This^

Another example is Nicole Kidman in the Undoing recently
At least she was playing the part of a rich woman who would probably have Botox but I agree it was distracting especially next to Hugh and all his natural wrinkles.

@SelkieQualia

Because it's almost impossible to get work as an actress after the age of 40, unless you are playing a dying grandmother.

But Judi Dench and Julie Walters look great

@TatianaBis

I don't know what this thread will achieve though?

A discussion about plastic surgery I’d imagine.

We celebrate schadenfreude to make ourselves feel better and do a little happy dance if we see that a beautiful woman has flaws/cellulite, etc

Wtf? Speak for your self - I find that completely alien.

If you say so. I speak as I find, I see this on this board all the time.

Was watching a History programme on you tube presented by a woman...What was so disconcerting was her frozen forehead with a tiny patch of frown lines in the middle..It was disconcerting.

Then there is the natural presenter of similar history programmes who is a jolly good sort, puts her back into everything and wears her wrinkles with not a care in the World!
Ruth Goodman.

@rookiemere

Kristin Scott Thomas is another who I'm pretty sure has had nothing done and looks incredible, as a beautiful woman of her age.

The whole point of fillers and Botox done well is they are undetectable and people just look a bit better and fresher.

Also KST is not very old- she's under 60- and I have plenty of friends who look that good or better at her age.

I think there might be an element of being unable to see how you look to others - like what can happen with anorexia and body dysmorphia

Yes you might be right.

There’s definitely dysmorphia in some of the extreme examples of excessive plastic surgery. You can see some people are not mentally well by what they’ve done to themselves - Michael Jackson, the Ken Doll, Jocelyn Wildenstein.

But others I think it’s just a dose of self deception.

I don't know what this thread will achieve though?

Discussing and questioning these things helps us all to question them, think about the forces behind them and make more considered decisions, discuss those things with our daughters (and sons), etc. I think that's important.

I thought Nicole Kidman looked amazing in the Undoing. Am I the only one? I was distracted by her because I thought she looked beautiful

This is really not a point and laugh thread. I think people are just wondering how this has become so normalised. I remember there was a bit of a fuss about Keane Reaves girlfriend. She has grey hair and some wrinkles! Apparently she is an artist. I looked at the photos and thought firstly that she is a very good looking woman with lovely bone structure. She also looks animated and so confident and comfortable in herself. I love Iris Apfel too. There is no fading into the background there. That is what I aspire to!

But Judi Dench and Julie Walters look great

Judi Dench is in a different league- she's a Shakespearian actress as well as doing telly etc and wrinkles don't count!

JW has given up acting partly because of her health. She looks pretty 'normal' IMO for someone early 70s.

I think it’s really difficult.

Although there obviously are jobs for people who look like Maggie Smith, there are more for people who look like Jane Fonda.

I can certainly imagine that if you live in Los Angeles and all your peers have had at the very minimum a smidge of botox here and there, your idea of what looks natural might quickly warp.

Carol Vorderman looks like a chipmunk preparing for Winter.

We celebrate schadenfreude to make ourselves feel better and do a little happy dance if we see that a beautiful woman has flaws/cellulite, etc. Until we stop dong that, women will feel obliged to go under the knife to achieve what she perceives is what's needed. It is tragic.

Does we mean men & women? Men can be very derogatory about how women look.

As a model you soon learn that no one is perfect, absolutely everyone has some kind of flaw or whatever but I don't see it as a bad thing.
I also think people forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder so one person thinks 'x' celeb has a beautiful face but some else sees something else. That criticism is generally labelled as jealously when it's just a different opinion.

@HerselfIndoors

I don't know what this thread will achieve though?

Discussing and questioning these things helps us all to question them, think about the forces behind them and make more considered decisions, discuss those things with our daughters (and sons), etc. I think that's important.

Yes, I see that, it's a very good point.

The whole point of fillers and Botox done well is they are undetectable and people just look a bit better and fresher.

You can always see them. Unless Botox is in such a small area that the face remains mainly mobile. Fillers you can always see.

Maybe you’re one of the women who kidding themselves.

@TatianaBis

The whole point of fillers and Botox done well is they are undetectable and people just look a bit better and fresher.

You can always see them. Unless Botox is in such a small area that the face remains mainly mobile. Fillers you can always see.

Maybe you’re one of the women who kidding themselves.

Cheeky so and so! Who said I was talking about myself?

You can't tell. I know women who have had it and even their own family can't tell.

If you say so. I speak as I find, I see this on this board all the time.

Well I don’t so perhaps you’re projecting.

You can always see them. Unless Botox is in such a small area that the face remains mainly mobile. Fillers you can always see.

You've clearly just seen work done badly.

I think there might be an element of being unable to see how you look to others - like what can happen with anorexia and body dysmorphia.

I remember when Leslie Ash had the bad reaction to her lips & she warned about botched lips & was ashamed etc. Hers look normal compared to what you see now!