To be sick to death of male violence against women?!

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Kilmarnock attacks: Mother and daughter killed and man dies in crash www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-55948245

Just read about the poor mother and daughter killed in Kilmarnock by what sounds like the mother’s husband/partner. When will this stop?! And when will it be taken seriously as the misogynistic hate crime that it clearly is?!

Feeling even more fed up with it than usual as I also had a scary incident this week where I went for a run with a friend in the centre of a city at 6pm and got harassed by a man

I’d been so looking forward to going out, getting some fresh air and catching up with my friend and then some d1ckhead had to ruin it by running alongside us saying “I want sex with you, I want sex with you” over and over again. When I turned to confront him and told him to “shut up and go away”, he turned nasty, raised his hand as if to hit me and said, “you trying to mess with me?” in a really menacing way. I’m mid-thirties and haven’t had to deal with this sh1t in a while but it left me really shaken (we ended up sprinting for our lives and trying to ask for help from a stranger, who just ignored us ) Luckily the weird guy got bored and stopped following us eventually, but who knows what could have happened

AIBU to think there needs to be much more effort made to reduce male violence and harassment against women in the UK?

Re the media, Northern Ireland Woman’s Aid has published guidance for the media on how to report violent incidents.

viewdigital.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Responsible-Reporting-Matters-2020-Final.pdf

What made me really angry was the Deputy First Minister saying that it was particularly shocking it happened at a NHS hospital after the events of the last year.

No it is irrelevant where it happened, two women killed and you just blither on about the NHS. If she had also been killed on the street would that have made it less shocking? FFS

@IAmOptimusPrime

Someone posted this on mumsnet ages ago and it always stuck with me and opened my eyes.

I've copied that image to use in training. Simple but powerful

@AfternoonToffee yes, good point - it’s like people can’t bear to say “a horrific abusive man committed a violent murder against two women”, like that is somehow distasteful or offensive. It’s the truth, so say it how it is!

@blubberyboo someone needs to send that to the English press!

YANBU, sick to the back teeth of men and their self entitled arsehole privileges that make them believe they have any right whatsoever to be abusive murdering cunts.

Women all around the world have a terrible deal :( it's no where near as bad in the west in theory at least .
The prevailing idea ive always been taught as man is to treat women with respect and NEVER psychically abuse them. All of my friends do the same and if we found out that wasn't the case it would not end well for the person involved.

Some men feel entitled to women whether that be there bodies or whatever - it happens in all cultures and places regardless of teaching. I have a daughter and I feel scared and angry at what she may experience later in life. I wish I could be by her side 24/7 it shouldn't have to be like that but it is

The rough sex defence. It is everything that is wrong about the legal system and society.

Anna Florence Reed killed in Switzerland. Her murderer said he "had accidentally strangled her with a towel" during a sex game that went wrong.

She had horrific injuries and it is an open and shut case. Yet his previous partner said he wouldn't have done it, he is a nice guy. Even if he was 'nice' to her, it is clear he beat and strangled a woman to death.

Also, Dita Von Teese - by saying Brian Warner was ok with her, she is supporting him. Even if he was ok, does she think 5+ women coming forward saying he rape and beat them is ok?

Men are not the only apologists for male abusers and murders. Shame on them all and the media for the way they report this.

The idea women don’t have it as bad in the west isn’t a helpful point.

It reads like we should bf grateful we have a very high chance of being raped or murdered by men rather than a very very high chance.

It’s not like over here only 1% of women face this rather than way more in some other countries.

Our laws might make rape illegal but in reality something like 6% of all rapes ever end up prosecuted, and that includes male victims who see much higher rates of prosecutions than us women. We might have laws that say it’s illegal but in reality, day to day life for many of us is that it is legal in practice because there’s so little way of speaking up when we are told women cry rape (no one ever says that about men) or that it’s our fault for flirting or that we aren’t reliable witnesses and he said she said means they won’t believe us.

There maybe even more horrific things happening to more women in other countries, but that doesn’t mean we have it better or not as bad or whatever. If that makes sense.

This is why I’m not in favour of adding ‘sex’ to the categories of hate crime. We can’t have anything that prevents sectional analysis - that further prevents women / the media from pointing out the truth about who is committing the violence and hopefully trying to address that. In Scotland they are talking about misogyny offence instead as a sop to those who have pointed out that the new Scottish hate crimes bill protects every other group - including cross dressers - other than women.

male violence against women is a an ideological, arguably triply bigoted phrase.

It implies that

• violence against men doesn't matter
• violence (however much less) perpetrated by women doesn't matter
• that the ninety-something percent of males who don't commit violence are in the same moral category as those who do.

Try just being against violence. Then you'd just be a bore cluttering up the forum with the blindingly obvious.

The phrase male violence against women is double-speak, intended to create a discussion context that serves a political agenda.

Oh do frick off with your gas lighting.

@RandomLondoner

male violence against women is a an ideological, arguably triply bigoted phrase.

It implies that

• violence against men doesn't matter
• violence (however much less) perpetrated by women doesn't matter
• that the ninety-something percent of males who don't commit violence are in the same moral category as those who do.

Try just being against violence. Then you'd just be a bore cluttering up the forum with the blindingly obvious.

The phrase male violence against women is double-speak, intended to create a discussion context that serves a political agenda.

What a load of nonsense.

What is this political agenda exactly?

The phrase male violence against women is double-speak, intended to create a discussion context that serves a political agenda.

In terms of domestic violence in the West, the statistics are certainly far more evenly distributed than many would assume. Apparently 40% victims are male. 1/3 women have been victims of domestic violence compared to 1/4 men.

However, globally speaking, I think there are still serious inequalities and incidences of male violence against women being brushed under the carpet.

@RandomLondoner
40% of women under 40 years old have experienced non. consensual chocking during sex
That means 40% have been raped and have had their male partner putting their life at risk.

I very much doubt that 40% of men have experienced violence like this.
It also means there about 40% of men who are rapists and violent towards women.
Unfortunately we don’t have 90% of nice guys who will hurt a thing

@RandomLondoner

male violence against women is a an ideological, arguably triply bigoted phrase.

It implies that

• violence against men doesn't matter
• violence (however much less) perpetrated by women doesn't matter
• that the ninety-something percent of males who don't commit violence are in the same moral category as those who do.

Try just being against violence. Then you'd just be a bore cluttering up the forum with the blindingly obvious.

The phrase male violence against women is double-speak, intended to create a discussion context that serves a political agenda.

Let me guess, you also think “all lives matter”?

Why are “some” men also angry at us women for being more abused than them!

Like we are stealing the limelight on purpose to get attention

Most victims of male violence are male, no?

Even if 40% of victims are male was a credible stat, their abusers are also more like to be male, not women.

3 women killed every week by men. I don’t see 3 men killed every week by women anywhere. Are there even 3 men killed by women in a year in the U.K.??

Male violence against woman and girls looks at class analysis of violent crime.

If you’ve rtft you’d know that. If you lived in the real world you’d know that. If you had any regard for any woman you would know that.

But I suspect you do know all that fine well and are just a garden variety misogynist who has nothing better to do that jump on a mums forum to shout at women. Well isn’t that original.

@RandomLondoner oh wow, you were slow to show up with the NAMALT / Men are victims of violence too / What about violent women. Will you lose points in the men’s defence league for that?

If you have real issues about general violence, go start a thread and invite discussion there.

If you are only spouting this anti ‘ideology /double speak’ on threads that are specifically about women talking about men’s violence towards them, then I will assume the only thing you are anti is women having any right to express their frustrations and experiences freely and the only agenda is one which seeks to silence women’s voices.

And the sad thing is, it doesn’t even make you original or the clever contrarian you think - just yet another bore cluttering up a forum with the blindingly obvious.

@Marinaloves

Why are “some” men also angry at us women for being more abused than them!

Like we are stealing the limelight on purpose to get attention

Because even the ones who aren’t violent can’t bear not being at the centre of absolutely every discourse involving women.

I’m sick to death of violence by women against men being underrepresented . Some Women are as vile as some men

@IWillSqueakAgain ''If you’re a man you can’t be a feminist. Feminism is a political movement for the liberation of women, it centres females.''

Disagree. Of course a man can be a feminist. With your logic a white person could not be an anti-racist campaigner simply because they happen to have been born white...which is nonsensical. To me a feminist is anyone who combats misogyny and sexism, champions women's right and lives by these principles in their lives.

This is also your narrow definition of feminism. It is not just a political movement, it is a way of life and a belief. Feminism is about equality which goes beyond the 'liberation of women'.

Stating that all men automatically behave and think in the same manner, a manner which is by definition is hostile and damaging to women, is pure gender stereotype. We cannot claim to fight for women not to be stereotyped simply because of their gender while doing exactly the same thing when talking about men.

Frankly yours is an incredibly reductive view of feminism...

Males can be feminist allies.
Males can be anti misogynist just as white people can be anti racist.

When males say they are feminists the danger is that their voice and their experiences are centred over women. The danger is that a type of feminism that is more palatable to males who like porn and buying consent becomes the only socially acceptable feminism.

I can think of several great males on twitter who are comfortable with this. One is a transwoman speaking out against mainstream transactivism. Another is a man who works directly with young men towards being anti misogynist. Calling themselves feminist allies, as opposed to feminists, does not diminish their great work.

@IEat

I’m sick to death of violence by women against men being underrepresented . Some Women are as vile as some men

So go start a thread about that.

If you only have a problem with violence against men by women when the conversation is about violence against women by men, then you don’t care about violence against men, you only care about trying to shut women down.

Whataboutism is a distraction tactic and nothing more.

Ask yourself why your only contribution to a thread about women’s experience is to try to centre the conversation round men.

If all the people who jumped in on these threads with ‘what about men’ or ‘women are violent too’ used the same energy to actually address violence against men, things would change very quickly.

That they don’t speak volumes about their actual motivation.

That’s why I’m sick to death of.