Aibu to feel a little miffed (re 'vaccine passports')

[NotPennysBoat]

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

I can't imagine many places who haven't had our Kent variant wanting that coming their way, just like we don't want the South African one rampaging through this country.

I think it is if people who are antivacc are forced to be vaccinated if they want to travel

You’ll have to take that up with each and every government that requires proof of vaccination as condition of entry

It’s not a British government decision - it the bureaucrats’ response to an international issue

Unless you want nobody travelling to those countries for any reason, because not everyone can

@QueenPawPaws Young people needlessly dying from Covid when they could otherwise stay at home of course makes sense. Such deaths would be avoidable and tragic. But we did not lockdown because of this - we locked down because of the number of elderly who would have needed care because the numbers would have been huge at one time. And to make sure the system didn't need to essentially ration healthcare based on age as the elderly would not have been given care if the system had been overwhelmed. Younger people would have been prioritised

They're not going to introduce vaccine passports while the majority haven't even been offered the vaccine.

You are just falling for the divisive shit the media is feeding you. Better we all turn on each other than question why there are 110,000 people dead.
^This

My elderly dad has Parkinson's. I have a friend who is a transplant patient. I'm disabled. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are far worse off than you and who have been too scared to go past the end of their garden for the past year. Would you like to swap places with one of them?

I sometimes despair at the lack of empathy in this world.

[quote Star81]@NotPennysBoat to be honest I get where your coming from. People in 20/ 30/40’s are likely to have spent lockdowns with school age children with very little to do after hone schooling and it did feel like there was a light at the end of the tunnel with vaccinations meaning you could go somewhere. Children only being allowed out for a walk is not fun anymore.

Last week news full of stories of over 50s booking to go abroad in the summer because they’ll have been vaccinated did make me think great for them but what about us still nothing to look forward to !!! And by winter when we’ve eventually had our 2 vaccinations kids back at school and no one in their right mind would take them out for 2 weeks given all they’ve missed.[/quote]
I am 58, DD is 12 and has been here home schooling.
Foreign holidays (or any holidays) are not high on my agenda.

Julie Walters (lost all credibility with me!) is all over Classic FM flogging Saga Cruises to those who have been vaccinated. So I get why people feel irritated. But the mainstream package holidays suppliers aren't referencing this.

Chances are that airport testing will be the primary control screening. To be honest those little blue vaccine cards could be rustled up on a home printer in 30 secs so I doubt that any vaccine passport will be up and running soon

Is it wise for anyone to plan a foreign holiday this year

Pinkfreesias I despair too.

Firstly YABU.

Secondly, I find it so fucking sad that people can't just wait a bit longer for a holiday 😂.

You do know that just a couple of generations ago, holidays abroad were exclusively for the rich or famous, right? It's only really the generation who are elderly now that kicked off the abroad holiday thing.

I'm sure you can live without it, knowing what mess the world is in, and knowing that only allowing the vaccinated to travel is absolutely the sensible thing to do.

Also, if these vulnerable people who've been vaccinated are genuinely booking 'round the world holidays' (which I verrrrry much doubt by the way), good on them. Some of them have literally been stuck inside this whole time. If you've not had a vaccine yet, you've also been lucky enough not to be housebound, able to go out and about etc.

Wait your turn. It will come. And stop thinking that holidays are THE most important thing to aim towards when they're really not.

@NotPennysBoat

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

My parents are extremely vunerable, they have been shield for nearly a year (to scared to even go to medical appointments and had life changing surgery they waited on for 3 years cancelled).

They are still waiting on the vaccine like everyone else but even when they get it they wont be flittering off abroad (they arent even medically cleared to fly in normal times never mind the hell of trying to secure complex health insurance which was impossible before brexit never mind now).

I seriously think people have some head in the clouds views of what the vunerable are going to be doing, most are living limited lives due to their health as it is they didnt/dont have these 'luxuaries' in the first place and still wont have them after the vaccine.

Has anyone thought it might not just be for a holiday ? Maybe spare a thought for those whose family live abroad.

Likelihood is travel within the uk will be relaxed to allow uk families to meet but not much help if your family don’t live here.

@NotPennysBoat do you have any idea what day to day life is for some disabled people? The restrictions they live with will still be there long after the pandemic is over. Perhaps instead of buying into the division being sown by the media and stoking it here, you could use your experience of living a temporarily restricted life to have better insight into the lives of others.

@LindaEllen

Firstly YABU.

Secondly, I find it so fucking sad that people can't just wait a bit longer for a holiday 😂.

You do know that just a couple of generations ago, holidays abroad were exclusively for the rich or famous, right? It's only really the generation who are elderly now that kicked off the abroad holiday thing.

I'm sure you can live without it, knowing what mess the world is in, and knowing that only allowing the vaccinated to travel is absolutely the sensible thing to do.

Also, if these vulnerable people who've been vaccinated are genuinely booking 'round the world holidays' (which I verrrrry much doubt by the way), good on them. Some of them have literally been stuck inside this whole time. If you've not had a vaccine yet, you've also been lucky enough not to be housebound, able to go out and about etc.

Wait your turn. It will come. And stop thinking that holidays are THE most important thing to aim towards when they're really not.

Some of us get on planes to see our parents. Planes arent just for holidays.

@Hobbesmanc

Julie Walters (lost all credibility with me!) is all over Classic FM flogging Saga Cruises to those who have been vaccinated. So I get why people feel irritated. But the mainstream package holidays suppliers aren't referencing this.

Chances are that airport testing will be the primary control screening. To be honest those little blue vaccine cards could be rustled up on a home printer in 30 secs so I doubt that any vaccine passport will be up and running soon

Julie Walters is taking on a voiceover job to pay the bills at a time when theatre has been impossible and TV/film production has been minimal. She needs to pay her bills just as much as anyone else.

If she hadn't done it, someone else would have, and the ad would be out there anyway.

Similarly, Saga will be struggling. They need to start getting bookings, and advertising to those who have been vaccinated seems the sensible and safest way to go about it.

I'm not sure who rattled your cage, but 'losing all credibility' seems a bit far to go for an actress who's done a voice over job, for goodness sake.

@demelza82

Surely protecting the medically vulnerable and protecting the NHS are the same bloody thing

Precisely

@TwirpingBird that's fine - but the OP was complaining specifically about holidays, hence my reply.

Also, many people haven't been able to see their parents who live in this country either, so it's not exactly a special case.

I’m sure anyone that wants to can pay for a private Covid jab !

I kind of agree OP. I would have happily signed away any right to be treated by the NHS for the duration of the pandemic if it meant I was allowed to continue with my normal life for the last year. So I do feel my life has been somewhat put on hold through no choice of my own and purely for the benefit of others. The idea that I am still restricted despite being ridiculously low risk BECAUSE I am too low risk to be needing a vaccine does feel very unfair indeed.

That said, I'm not going to get too worked up about it because I never go on holidays abroad anyway

Honestly, this thread is vile.

to all of you who are challenging the prejudiced people on this thread and to all of you who know what it’s like to be on the sharp end of discrimination. to the rest of you.

This just shows how utterly unpleasant people are to one another and how completely selfish people can be.

It’ll be like the flu jab - if you aren’t eligible for a free one you can pay £20 for one ! It’s not rocket science