Aibu to feel a little miffed (re 'vaccine passports')

[NotPennysBoat]

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

@porcupineintherough it's not about me. It's about everyone. Young people have sacrificed so much to protect elderly people and save lives. It has absolutely not been all about the NHS - you could kill a granny has long been part of this. Otherwise young people could have gone to school and elderly shielding but that was seen as unpalatable as some cases would still leak through. Why would the young not be able to travel without the vaccine? To protect who? Makes no sense. Vaccines do not 100% protect against transmission so the vaccinated would also be risking others. You cannot divide society that way anyway. There was a backlash against antibody immunity passports for same reason.

@NotPennysBoat to be honest I get where your coming from. People in 20/ 30/40’s are likely to have spent lockdowns with school age children with very little to do after hone schooling and it did feel like there was a light at the end of the tunnel with vaccinations meaning you could go somewhere. Children only being allowed out for a walk is not fun anymore.

Last week news full of stories of over 50s booking to go abroad in the summer because they’ll have been vaccinated did make me think great for them but what about us still nothing to look forward to !!! And by winter when we’ve eventually had our 2 vaccinations kids back at school and no one in their right mind would take them out for 2 weeks given all they’ve missed.

Don't worry OP. I would be very suprised if any countries will be welcoming visitors to the UK this year. We'll all get a vaccine at some point.

Queue jumpong?

I doubt any practice nurse would be swayed by "I need a holiday" and the mass vacc centres have lists. The online booking says no...

I really don’t think this will happen - not this year anyway, maybe when vaccines are available to all - as many will think the same as you. Not without reason.

@Snowrabbit but some young people are vulnerable, so are working age people
It's frustrating to keep reading "protecting the elderly" when the people who have been shielding because they are so vulnerable, aren't elderly

@Frazzled2207 you could also say the elderly have HAD more time to travel whilst the best part of youth for many has been interrupted.

Life is for living and older people have less of it to live. We've all been existing for the past year. Everyone needs to get started at soon as they can on making the most of every day. I can't get upset if older people get a head-start through earlier vaccination. I might be flamed for this, but on hearing of Captain Tom's death and his holiday to Barbados, I thought "Good on him for squeezing in a final family holiday." At 100, he must have been aware that there wouldn't be too many more tomorrows, even disregarding Covid, and he didn't want to waste any.

We're vaccinating apace and, although summer holidays abroad may be out for some of us, there's still autumn half-term and next Christmas if you've got school age kids. And I don't mean to be irritatingly cheery, but there's going to be lots of other great stuff to do...visit family, pubs and restaurants, UK holidays, theme parks, swimming pools and splash parks, zoos, wildlife parks... I'm looking forward to a few days by the seaside building sandcastles, eating ice-cream and fish and chips. I can wait until next year if I have to for sunshine and lounging by the pool .

someone healthy in their sixties (July Aug) and someone healthy in their twenties (September)

I hope that's the case... I'm 30 and the vaccination calculator says November for me. My GP doesn't think it'll be offered to me this year; but has said that they don't think everyone will need to be vaccinated, so they don't think we'll be "waiting" to be.

Last week news full of stories of over 50s booking to go abroad in the summer because they’ll have been vaccinated did make me think great for them but what about us still nothing to look forward to !!! And by winter when we’ve eventually had our 2 vaccinations kids back at school and no one in their right mind would take them out for 2 weeks given all they’ve missed

Those stories were clickbait rubbish. There were equal numbers of under 50s booking holidays too (TUI reported 50% of their bookings were from over 50s, I am sure you can do the maths).

You are just falling for the divisive shit the media is feeding you. Better we all turn on each other than question why there are 110,000 people dead.

@QueenPawPaws. The numbers of younger people who have died is extremely low. Not higher than mant other illnesses such people are at risk from. This has mainly been a disease of the elderly - hence the average age of death being higher than average life expectancy. Obviously worrying to be vulnerable but the numbers are very, very low.

Here is what some of the CEV have said they want to do. I think most of us just want to be able to go for a meal or see family or do our own shopping
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-55893676

Anyone being vaccinated is being told categorically to follow all the rules as usual.
There is nothing whatsoever planned for vaccine passports. Anyone who does get vaccinated gets given a record, that is all.

@Snowrabbit so why are we bothering shielding the clinical extremely vulnerable then? The young people with compromised immunity, cancers etc?
My point is that the elderly never had to shield. Unless they had a condition listed on the shielding, they've been able to follow exactly the same rules as everyone else
The clinically extremely vulnerable of all ages were asked to (and still are) shielding

[quote QueenPawPaws]Here is what some of the CEV have said they want to do. I think most of us just want to be able to go for a meal or see family or do our own shopping
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-55893676[/quote]
Eh .... that's what everyone wants 😆

@Steamedhams

Surely the more upsetting thing is the potential existence of vaccine passports full stop.

Why? It seems quite reasonable to me that other countries want to protect themselves by making it a requirement.

I am 100% pro vaccination, but I do feel uneasy. I think it is if people who are antivacc are forced to be vaccinated if they want to travel. Removes peoples choice. Should we ban alcohol?

@TwirpingBird yes but they have been shielding throughout which is no food shopping, no meals out, no relaxation in tiers, nothing. Trying to find someone to get you milk because you've run out and can't risk the shops

Can we just point out again, and again, and again.

The government's current plan means everyone will be vaccinated by Autumn THIS YEAR!

Just 12 weeks ago that was inconceivable!

That is not the case across the world - including many of those places you all want to holiday in.

FFS!

Yes, you sound like a twat. Sorry

I’m more than happy to wait my turn for a vaccine however long it takes, but I would be pissed off if some people start being allowed out of the country sooner than others. I’ve done my bit for the cause the same as most people, and it does feel like the sacrifices the majority of us have had to make are for the benefit of other people who are more vulnerable to illness than I am. That’s fine, but I will join the March if those people are let out of the UK before I am.

@Lostinwinter

I am 100% pro vaccination, but I do feel uneasy. I think it is if people who are antivacc are forced to be vaccinated if they want to travel. Removes peoples choice. Should we ban alcohol?

Not sure why the alcohol ban is equivalent but...

Many countries already have a vacination requirement. Anti vaxxers can't go to those places. Nothing has changed for them,. Their beliefs have always restricted their holiday plans, work plans, work choices (the NHS also requires some vaccinations in some posts) etc.

It's nothing new to them. The consequences of being a bit barmy!

@Lostinwinter

I am 100% pro vaccination, but I do feel uneasy. I think it is if people who are antivacc are forced to be vaccinated if they want to travel. Removes peoples choice. Should we ban alcohol?

They have a choice. They can choose to not have the vaccine and stay at home, or they can choose to have it and go on holiday.

Think i'd better renew my passport, as I clearly been vaccinated so I can do so.

@TwirpingBird I can totally get when you are on your own and just want your family it’s hard to see the wood from the trees at times. Regardless of what people say, I’m sure they have all felt like you at one point. I had a baby in lockdown too and have also felt like you ( especially when one of my acquaintances has still travelled all over the world for “ work purposes “ but I can’t go to see my terminally ill grandmother who stays a 10 min walk away from me and has never held my DD ) but then when I look at things calmly, I could have had it a lot, lot worse and I’m thankful it’s not been half as bad as others. It’s ok to have a rant now and then and I’m 100% sure your not the only one hope you get to go home and see your family soon.