Aibu to feel a little miffed (re 'vaccine passports')

[NotPennysBoat]

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

Surely protecting the medically vulnerable and protecting the NHS are the same bloody thing

The restrictions have been for both the NHS and the vulnerable. It's been pitched as mainly 'protect the NHS' but we have been trying to protect the vulnerable as well.

Is this what our society has become? Constantly co.osring what others have and don't have and shouting 'its not fair!' as soon as it's to our detriment, whilst quietly bragging when things goes our way?

So what some people will get to.hiday sooner? There will still be some people who can't afford it, vaccinated or not, who also very much deserve a break somewhere exotic.

As long as its nothing more than a little miffed I dont blame you. We're all fed up to the back teeth. Remember that the situation really isnt stable, covid passports might not happen, if they do theres no knowing how long they will be valid for. There are zero guarantees.

Wow.

I’m in the cev group aged 40 and had my vaccine this week.

Do you have ANY idea how absolutely awful it’s been for our group? Shielding. Being absolutely terrified of catching it. Scared of hugging our kids. Told to stay 2m apart from our own kids at home...? Thinking every day you may catch it and die? And that’s not health anxiety or being irrational, that’s the truth for many of us.

Many of us won’t be rushing out to book a holiday.

Christ alive. Everyone is going to get a vaccine eventually. Have some patience, everyone in the cev and the elderly group have been putting their lives more on hold than anyone else.

I agree - whilst I’m happy with vaccination passports in principle, I don’t want to be at the behest of the very long waiting list before I can go abroad. Myself and my husband are at different surgeries - what if there are weeks or even months between us receiving one.

I really really feel for teenagers / university students who have had their lives wrecked and no doubt would love a holiday abroad with their mates.

I personally think they should only allow travel abroad once all vulnerable people have been vaccinated- then there should be the option to pay for a private jab should you wish to travel abroad earlier.

I’m aware of people hanging around vaccination centres on the off chance one will be free and this succeeding - whilst it makes sense and the vaccine shouldn’t be wasn’t, it does feel unfair that people who have ‘jumped the queue’ could go on holiday first.

I would imagine there will be a lot of CEV people who will be more keen to get back to work than they are to get on a plane.

The restrictions weren't to protect the vulnerable.

The extremely vulnerable were told to protect themselves by shielding.

The restrictions were put in place to avoid overwhelming the NHS, and theoretically to get case numbers down.

Surely protecting the medically vulnerable and protecting the NHS are the same bloody thing
Of course it isn't. Whilst 1/2 beds are taken by covid patients, nurses doctors, hcas, porters, admin staff are redeployed to support these wards, they are not available to treat non covid patients, who might be in urgent need of treatment, ie. You get non vulnerable people.

I honestly think booking an overseas holiday this year is madness, wherever you are in the vaccination pile. I’ve had my first as I’m ECV and have shielded for most of the last 12 months. If (when) they tell me I can go about my business (as shielding is still recommended after vaccine at the moment) I will hopefully go on holiday in the U.K. Our hospitality industry needs our ££££ and there will be so much less hassle involved holidaying over here. I love a long haul holiday as much as the next but 2022 will do for me.

YABU and very short sighted.

Fuck I wish I was only 40 .

Surely protecting the medically vulnerable and protecting the NHS are the same bloody thing

Erm....nope.

I get where your coming from, op. My opinion is that there will be a vaccination passport of sorts, but no way will it be rolled out before everyone has had the chance be vaccinated.

Firstly, because it would be unfair and a lot of people would complain. But mostly because something on that scale, agreed with all the countries that Brits travel to, would take a long time to sort out. I can't see it happening this summer at all.

What is more likely to happen this summer will be the over 50s confidently booking their summer holidays early on and traveling with much less worry, whilst the under 50s will technically be allowed to travel, some won't feel safe enough. Also, the people who book now will have a much better selection than those who wait until closer to the time to see if they receive their vaccination first.

whilst it makes sense and the vaccine shouldn’t be wasn’t, it does feel unfair that people who have ‘jumped the queue’ could go on holiday first
People who can afford initial private health jump the queue.

Parents who can afford to move in the good school catchment area get the best for their kids.

At least for once, it won't be just a matter of who has more money.

If I had a terrible car accident I wanted a chance for doctors to be able to save me. That's what lockdown was about for me. To know there was any medical care anywhere. That is the Lockdown benefit I perceive.

Don't care who holiday'd where or when.

I think people forget that the UK is being really speedy with vaccination. That's not the case with other countries in Europe. You might be ready to go on holiday but that doesnt mean your destination countries will be open for business to you

Now the elderly are going to be back to pottering around while the rest of us are still working and living essentially with zero positivity in our lives?

The ONS figures show that the majority of CEV people are working age, which they define as aged 20 - 69, and that 49% of them are in work. So no, it won't be a return to elderly people pottering around while everyone works as many, many CEV people work.

We couldn’t afford a holiday abroad before, so we sure as hell won’t be able to afford one now. We won’t be having a holiday of any description this year, just as we didn’t last year.

We have been at home for eleven months now, going nowhere apart from a local walk and a couple of dental and hospital appointments. In fact, the last time I wore a mask was when I went to the dentist weeks ago.

So I won’t be ‘pottering around crotchburn. I won’t be going on holiday, or to shops, or anywhere else and I will be able to look people in the eye and say that I absolutely did every bloody thing asked of me.

This has already been done. And, if I remember rightly, the thread was remoned as posters fell over themselves to explain why old people should just sit down, shut the fuck up and die!

All the Boomer shite, all the we lost squillions for you be alive and now you go on holiday crap. It was endless!

Lots of ageist conjecture.

@FoxyTheFox exactly. Clinically extremely vulnerable and elderly aren't the same thing!
I've worked FT throughout

Some very skewed perceptions on this thread about CEV people.

OP if you go on a vaccine calculator looks like there's only a month or so difference between someone healthy in their sixties (July Aug) and someone healthy in their twenties (September) in terms of vaccine waiting times. As a forty something you'll probably fall somewhere in between. So not a huge deal.

YABU and have absolutely no comprehension of exactly why vaccinations are taking place as they are, or why we have all done as asked ie to protect the nhs, which we ALL have access to and ALL May require