Aibu to feel a little miffed (re 'vaccine passports')

[NotPennysBoat]

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

YANBU

One thing I have noticed is how little sympathy those who have been vaccinated have for those who haven't or may not ever be.

@Thomasina2021

I’m sure anyone that wants to can pay for a private Covid jab !

No they can’t.

@Thomasina2021

It’ll be like the flu jab - if you aren’t eligible for a free one you can pay £20 for one ! It’s not rocket science

It might be in future but not for a couple of years at least.

The manufacturers have said they will not sell to private organisations and individuals.

Calling anyone in the U.K. selfish when the vast majority are low risk and have put their lives in hold, lost their jobs had mental health issues to protect the vulnerable is pretty low

@Star81

Has anyone thought it might not just be for a holiday ? Maybe spare a thought for those whose family live abroad.

Likelihood is travel within the uk will be relaxed to allow uk families to meet but not much help if your family don’t live here.

There's a very clear difference between visiting family overseas and going on holiday.

And the vaccine is going to everyone over 50. I am only just under 50 and I am not vulnerable and I suspect (hope) that nothing will change in the next two to three years. So yes, lots of people can go gallivanting who haven't been hiding at home since March.

@Foxyloxy1plus1

This just shows how utterly unpleasant people are to one another and how completely selfish people can be.

I agree but it seems to me that the selfishness and unpleasantness in coming from those attacking the OP rather than those agreeing that she is NBU

I'm sorry youv'e had such unpleasant responses OP

@gottakeeponmovin

Calling anyone in the U.K. selfish when the vast majority are low risk and have put their lives in hold, lost their jobs had mental health issues to protect the vulnerable is pretty low

Exactly!! It’s so ironic it’s unbelievable

As more and more people are vaccinated, what are they expected to do? Stay home?
How pointless is that?

If/when they are vaccinated why shouldn't they be out and doing whatever they want, regardless of the age of the vaccinated person.

Do you want them to stay in lockdown in solitary unnecessarily?

Many countries already have a vacination requirement. Anti vaxxers can't go to those places. Nothing has changed for them,. Their beliefs have always restricted their holiday plans, work plans, work choices (the NHS also requires some vaccinations in some posts) etc

Nowhere requires things like vaccines for measles or flu. OK so you need a vaccine against yellow fever for some countries. Big deal, I don't want to go to those countries anyway as I suspect yellow fever is only one medical problem that might beset me there.

If European countries all demand a vaccine that we can't have because we are too young, then that is a problem.

Basically I can't see the issue. Get vaccinated yourself and you don't need to worry about other people. No it's not 100% effective but the risk will be very low and you need to get on with life.

What about people who are allergic or have religious reasons for non-vaccination. There will never be vaccine passports as it's a breach of our human rights. My body, my choice.

You have to wonder how empty someone’s life must be to be jealous of those who have been unable to leave their houses for the past year. Even to go to the shops.

And the press are doing a great job of turning people against each other.

As much as there will be questions to be answered by the government over this, there also needs to be a serious press enquiry, because the media have been appalling.

If European countries all demand a vaccine that we can't have because we are too young, then that is a problem.

What vaccines can you not have because you are too young?

Oh and, there’s already one of these threads in the COVId topic. It was moved there, maybe this one should be as well. Or deleted.

What about people who are allergic or have religious reasons for non-vaccination. There will never be vaccine passports as it's a breach of our human rights. My body, my choice. none of the religions prohibit vaccination. If someone decides they don’t want a vaccination for religious reasons that is their choice and nothing more.

And allergies etc will be exempt in the UK, but tbh there are no guarantees abroad because other countries have the right to set their own laws. Just like some insurance companies won’t insure people with certain health conditions, sometimes those people have to lose out.

While people can complain about this country, we’re not able to set the laws in other countries, unless you think that other countries should have the right to dictate the laws we set here?

DH had his 1st jab yesterday. I expect to get mine by May (according to Boris). We won't be going abroad this year - in fact we'll be happy if we can go on a booked holiday in this country at the end of June (with 2 other couples, which might be the stumbling block). We've followed all the rules to protect the people DH is in contact with through work and because it was the right thing to do. We would love to go abroad on holiday and could afford to do so but we don't feel that 2021 is the time to do it yet. But as others have said, we've followed the rules to protect the NHS so that it will be available to treat everyone of all ages. We've all made sacrifices.

Yanbu. Everyone should be offered the vaccine before they start rolling out special privileges for people who've had it.

@circumlocutious I am genuinely shocked by this response. Why should we be giving any more power to the government? Perhaps people must really think they deserve to have absolute power over citizens.

It wasn't just for the NHS, but to save lives. Which is fine by me, whatever I have to do to try and stop as many people dying as I can, I'll do.

I wouldn't worry about the talk of vaccine passports. We don't know what's going to happen, it's not a thing yet. Ministers consider all sorts of things which don't end up happening.

And we don't even know when we'll be allowed to go on holiday.

I agree - we don't do this for any other infectious disease (except yellow fever in a few African countries, and that is policed by border control, not decided at random by airlines/cruise companies etc.). What about people who aren't able to get the vaccine due to allergies/health conditions, I'm pregnant so can't get it... it just seems inconsistent with the approach we take to all other diseases. But I understand if you're travelling to a country with no cases or no vaccine programme, although I still think it's inconsistent. We let loads of people in without measles vaccinations every year, for example...

@SoulofanAggron

It wasn't just for the NHS, but to save lives. Which is fine by me, whatever I have to do to try and stop as many people dying as I can, I'll do.

I wouldn't worry about the talk of vaccine passports. We don't know what's going to happen, it's not a thing yet. Ministers consider all sorts of things which don't end up happening.

And we don't even know when we'll be allowed to go on holiday.

And it's not all about the UK govt. Boris can bring in whatever passport scheme he wants, or not, but it's other governments who will decide what THEY require before they let foreigners into THEIR country. Even with a UK passport scheme, another country may decide they simply won't allow people into their country. Hopefully, all the major countries will be working together to find some common ground and a common set of rules/passport scheme that will be suitable for all.

Good luck to "the vulnerable". I hope they get to go on holiday as soon as it's safe for them to do so.

@notalwaysalondoner exactly this. Brilliant post.

If other countries will routinely deport people who arrive without having had a vaccination, then it stands to reason that the airlines will simply refuse to fly them there in the first place because it will be the airlines who are responsible for bringing them back again.

We do not have remit to make the laws in other countries.

There have e.g. been plenty of calls to close our borders, yet when other countries talk about not permitting people without vaccines we are supposed to step in? You can’t have it both ways.

The thing is that many of the vulnerable aren't just vulnerable to Covid. So when this is "all over" you'll be back to not having to worry about your health. Whereas many of the vulnerable will still have to.

I despair of the notion that the vulnerable will be skipping into the sunset after their vaccinations. Does no one actually sit down and wonder what makes these people vulnerable to a serious virus? Do they actually think that the vaccination makes all the other stuff go away?