Aibu to feel a little miffed (re 'vaccine passports')

[NotPennysBoat]

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

So do you think you should have been vaccinated ahead of vulnerable people?

Thank for all the responses, I did say only 'slightly miffed' and don't think I'm deserving of some of the anger directed at me! It's good to see both sides and have a respectful discussion.

To clarify a couple of points - I'm not desperate to have the vaccine. I'll have it when offered but I'm in no rush. I'm not asking to have the vaccine sooner, I just want my family to have our freedom back.

I may be reeling slightly from a conversation overheard in Tesco, where two 'older' couples (none wearing masks but that's another thread) were happily exchanging vaccine stories (and good for them!), and discussing their planned holidays to Spain and Greece. I couldn't help feeling jealous - so shoot me!

Yabu .I am one of the ones being protected because I am cev .I normally work and have hobbies I love. I am slighly older than you I got the shielding letters this time .I have only been out to one medical appt if you don't count in my jab next week. I desperately missing seeing my best friend, my work mates , I have send either DH or my teenagers to the shop So i am so sorry that the likes of me have caused you to feel miffed .You any idea what shielding is like when you are used to being able to get in your car and pop to the shop and suddenly you can't. The only upside we live rural so not too many people. Heard it all now .Selfish much.

I know what you mean. I saw on TV yesterday someone saying older people should be free once the main groups have had their vaccines as they would be safe. This was mainly a disease of the elderly and yes we did it to protect the NHS but we have also been warned that doing anything could kill a granny. It was be staggering if the unvaccinated young were suffering more restrictions that the vaccinated elderly as time goes on. No way would I support that.

Instead of being happy that the country will be opening up and things getting back to normal, people are looking to see what the other person has and screaming "IT'S NOT FAIR" like five-year-olds.

And considering the wealthy nations are hoarding vaccines to give to their young and healthy while the vulnerable in the rest of the world can just fuck off, I'm not certain what kind of welcome people will get on their foreign holidays.

When did foreign holidays become compulsory?

I must have missed that memo

@Snowrabbit it doesnt really matter whether you'd support it or not. Countries such as Greece are entitled to restrict entry to those who are vaccinated if they chose. They are allowed to protect their people and their economy as they see fit. Are you really so churlish to say that no one can go because you can't?

@Bagelsandbrie

Wow.

I’m in the cev group aged 40 and had my vaccine this week.

Do you have ANY idea how absolutely awful it’s been for our group? Shielding. Being absolutely terrified of catching it. Scared of hugging our kids. Told to stay 2m apart from our own kids at home...? Thinking every day you may catch it and die? And that’s not health anxiety or being irrational, that’s the truth for many of us.

Many of us won’t be rushing out to book a holiday.

Christ alive. Everyone is going to get a vaccine eventually. Have some patience, everyone in the cev and the elderly group have been putting their lives more on hold than anyone else.

I could not have wrote this better myself. As someone who is cev that worry is constant and it is scary. Wish you all the best Bagelsandbrie.

@Bagelsandbrie

Wow.

I’m in the cev group aged 40 and had my vaccine this week.

Do you have ANY idea how absolutely awful it’s been for our group? Shielding. Being absolutely terrified of catching it. Scared of hugging our kids. Told to stay 2m apart from our own kids at home...? Thinking every day you may catch it and die? And that’s not health anxiety or being irrational, that’s the truth for many of us.

Many of us won’t be rushing out to book a holiday.

Christ alive. Everyone is going to get a vaccine eventually. Have some patience, everyone in the cev and the elderly group have been putting their lives more on hold than anyone else.

We were told we couldn’t even open our windows at one point.

I’ve not seen my father for nearly 18 months. I won’t see him for another year at least. We’ve been told to isolate without our children in our own homes if they became even slightly unwell or slightly too warm. I’ve had Covid tests weekly now. We’ve not been able to get milk if we run out. Or food. If I ran out of calpol I’ve had to ring my neighbours. If on top of being super busy doctors. If they can pick up my medication which I get every 10 days. Not even being able to go out for fresh air. Because my consultant said the risk was too great. All of us have celebrated a birthday without any cakes etc for the kids. Because there were none in the shops and I couldn’t go round shops to see. We had no Xmas dinner because of a shopping cock up.

But man. I’ve had fun and wow. I can take a holiday. (Good god. I can’t believe people think we’ve got the GOOD end of the stick with this).

@NotPennysBoat

Thank for all the responses, I did say only 'slightly miffed' and don't think I'm deserving of some of the anger directed at me! It's good to see both sides and have a respectful discussion.

To clarify a couple of points - I'm not desperate to have the vaccine. I'll have it when offered but I'm in no rush. I'm not asking to have the vaccine sooner, I just want my family to have our freedom back.

I may be reeling slightly from a conversation overheard in Tesco, where two 'older' couples (none wearing masks but that's another thread) were happily exchanging vaccine stories (and good for them!), and discussing their planned holidays to Spain and Greece. I couldn't help feeling jealous - so shoot me!

I dare you to start a thread on people not wearing masks. You could do a full house Friday with the -isms.

So you think you deserve the jab sooner because you want to go on holiday?

@NotPennysBoat

Thank for all the responses, I did say only 'slightly miffed' and don't think I'm deserving of some of the anger directed at me! It's good to see both sides and have a respectful discussion.

To clarify a couple of points - I'm not desperate to have the vaccine. I'll have it when offered but I'm in no rush. I'm not asking to have the vaccine sooner, I just want my family to have our freedom back.

I may be reeling slightly from a conversation overheard in Tesco, where two 'older' couples (none wearing masks but that's another thread) were happily exchanging vaccine stories (and good for them!), and discussing their planned holidays to Spain and Greece. I couldn't help feeling jealous - so shoot me!

Nothing stopping you talking about your holiday plans in public places either.

Plans for the future are just that, plans and hopes and dreams.

Not manifestations of intergenerational strife.

to the CEV - not least as I guess you'll be under greater restrictions than the general population for quite a while to come.

I notice that lots of people seem to want to take your place in the vaccine queue, but not have your co-morbidity. At least no-ones banging on a la Great Barrington about isolating the most vulnerable now that it's likely the vaccination means the most vulnerable is them.

@Steamedhams

Surely the more upsetting thing is the potential existence of vaccine passports full stop.

But but but...muh rights to travel anywhere I want!!!!!

They don’t exist, sorry.

I can understand that this must feel unfair to you but someone has to be first. We can't all be first. Also don't you think it's better that some people can begin to support the travel industry again followed in time by the rest of us (if we choose to/can afford to) ?

Also you locking down was to protect the NHS not the vulnerable.

@StepOutOfLine no chance! Not when my 'slightly miffed' has been requoted as 'RAGING' and 'screaming "IT'S NOT FAIR"'

@babbaloushka read my previous post before commenting!

This is how it's going to be from now on. Whenever anyone over the age of 50 looks at anyone sideways they're going to be reminded of all the sacrifice that young people (apparently) made for them. We're still in the thick of it and it's happening already.

This is FAKE NEWS.

What is being considered is a certification system to let travellers go abroad to those countries that MAY demand proof of inoculation. That is not the same thing as people having to have vaccination passports to leave the country.

There is another thread ranting about this, which was also inaccurate - the OP had to be changed to reflect reality..

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/a4156809-UK-plans-certification-system-for-those-who-want-to-travel-to-countries-that-may-demand-it-as-a-condition-for-entry-title-edited-by-MNHQ-at-OPs-request?msgid=104374308#104374308

(It's not the OP I especially have a problem with, it's some of the replies)

i know how u feel op such an overeaction on here

and i love your username

@LAgeDeRaisin facts aren't welcome round here you know!

Amazing how many people just can't seem to grasp that any "vaccine passport" is going to be demanded by the country you wish to holiday in. It is nothing new and the frothing and ageism is getting tiresome

I do see your point but I think if they happen it will be unlikely until most/all of us have been offered a vaccine.

However on the other hand you could argue that older and CEV people are likely to have 'less years left' to travel etc than the younger among us. It wouldn't be a popular decision, but I'd live with it .

But I think it's wrong to say
we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

We put our life on hold to protect the vulnerable so that they don't overwhelm the already crumbling NHS which is pretty much the same thing anyway as protecting the NHS. Yes it's to protect the NHS being flooded by vulnerable patients. I know many people who have tested positive which didn't have underlying health problems and didn't need the NHS and I know two vulnerable people that did need the NHS who sadly passed away. So to me it's practically the same thing and no point arguing about which comes first chicken or egg or egg or chicken.

Also op, I get you it's really frustrating and even if you have to have a vaccine passport for an holiday, I don't think a lot of countries would be happy with this or accepting because just because you are vaccinated, doesn't mean that you are not carrying it and every country is experiencing different waves of this pandemic. Plus every country's vaccination timeline is different and the UK is basically like South Africa and Brazil right now to the rest of the world and the rest of the world doesn't want a mutant strain to cause further damage their efforts.

What bothers me more is the increased pressure from people queue jumping because they want to go on holiday! I want the vaccine so I can go to the shops in person, see people, go on a bus, etc. I don't want people who already do all those things without a vaccine rushing to get one so they can go on holiday.

I'm happy to wait my turn, after people more vulnerable and people more exposed. I don't want to be held up by people who are only getting it so they can go on holiday!

*We were told we couldn’t even open our windows at one point.

I’ve not seen my father for nearly 18 months. I won’t see him for another year at least. We’ve been told to isolate without our children in our own homes if they became even slightly unwell or slightly too warm. I’ve had Covid tests weekly now. We’ve not been able to get milk if we run out. Or food. If I ran out of calpol I’ve had to ring my neighbours. If on top of being super busy doctors. If they can pick up my medication which I get every 10 days. Not even being able to go out for fresh air. Because my consultant said the risk was too great. All of us have celebrated a birthday without any cakes etc for the kids. Because there were none in the shops and I couldn’t go round shops to see. We had no Xmas dinner because of a shopping cock up.

But man. I’ve had fun and wow. I can take a holiday. (Good god. I can’t believe people think we’ve got the GOOD end of the stick with this)*.

You know what. You are right. I miss my family, and I just want to go home and let them meet my baby, but I am lucky. I am. My initial response was 'they get to go home and I dont! I just want to go home'. I have just sat here for the past hour and cried. But your situation is a common one and I dont have it that bad. You have it bad.

I think we are all miserable. We are all so utterly fed up, but some have more reason to be fed up than others ( shielding CEV for example). Turning on each other in some competition of misery probably isnt the right thing to do.

@picklemewalnuts
Who is queue jumping? What people are doing this?